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Belief Systems and Control

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
When someone starts actively, directly practicing their belief systems on another that isn't helpful, and without their consent, is it out of line?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
What does that mean? How do you practice your beliefs on someone?


a person believes that women shouldn't wear men's clothes or men shouldn't wear women's clothes. so then they try to pass laws requiring men to wear what they think are men's clothes and women to wear what they think is women's clothes.


or a person doesn't believe two persons of differing skin colors should be marrying. so they pass a law forbidding different skin colors from marrying.

in other words they not only control themselves with their beliefs but also others.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
How in what way?

a person practicing christianity making laws that favor christianity; while suppressing any other religion.

or a political person trying to pass laws that promote a political party and not an idea
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
a person believes that women shouldn't wear men's clothes or men shouldn't wear women's clothes. so then they try to pass laws requiring men to wear what they think are men's clothes and women to wear what they think is women's clothes.


or a person doesn't believe two persons of differing skin colors should be marrying. so they pass a law forbidding different skin colors from marrying.

in other words they not only control themselves with their beliefs but also others.
Everyone does that. Everyone has beliefs they try to push in some way. If not, this forum would not exist.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Everyone does that. Everyone has beliefs they try to push in some way. If not, this forum would not exist.
Whilst true. Not all of us are trying to pass laws to that effect either. Whereas some people actually are doing exactly that in the real world

(Not saying you are trying to do that, just to be clear. I’m speaking in general.)
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Whilst true. Not all of us are trying to pass laws to that effect either. Whereas some people actually are doing exactly that in the real world

(Not saying you are trying to do that, just to be clear. I’m speaking in general.)
Why wouldn't you want laws in line with your religious beliefs?
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Why wouldn't you want laws in line with your religious beliefs?
Because I don’t want to live in a theocracy.
People should be free to make up their own minds. If they act antithetical to my religious beliefs, then so be it.
I mean did God Almighty not gift us with free will?

Besides if I a born Hindu tried to enact say a Beef ban in this good land of Australia, pretty sure I’d be lynched by several angry mobs within the hour lol ;)
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Everyone does that. Everyone has beliefs they try to push in some way. If not, this forum would not exist.
No, there is a difference in using beliefs to control oneself and then actively forcing them upon another.i don't like abortion. But I'm not going to tell a woman she has to have one or not.
 

Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW
Why wouldn't you want laws in line with your religious beliefs?

Would you want laws based on a religion that is not the one you follow?

Are you a US citizen? There's this "pesky" detail in its Constitution called the Establishment Clause within the First Amendment, "Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion".

Even if that didn't exist, Christianity is in a rapid and steady decline in the US. So even if laws were religious based, inevitably, they would be replaced by either another religion's dictates or, the only reasonable option in any scenario, be secular.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Would you want laws based on a religion that is not the one you follow?

Are you a US citizen? There's this "pesky" detail in its Constitution called the Establishment Clause within the First Amendment, "Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion".

Even if that didn't exist, Christianity is in a rapid and steady decline in the US. So even if laws were religious based, inevitably, they would be replaced by either another religion's dictates or, the only reasonable option in any scenario, be secular.
I said in line with your religion. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a religious law. We all vote our morals. I would hope.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
No, there is a difference in using beliefs to control oneself and then actively forcing them upon another.i don't like abortion. But I'm not going to tell a woman she has to have one or not.
So this is just another abortion thread?
Should we also not force people not to murder their children?
I mean, I find it reprehensible, but that's just my opinion, right?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
So this is just another abortion thread?
Should we also not force people not to murder their children?
I mean, I find it reprehensible, but that's just my opinion, right?

no, its not another abortion thread. you asked a question how that was possible. I gave you an example.

some people don't understand boundaries. there is the idea of "thou shall not trespass". there are psychological boundaries just like their are physical boundaries that shouldn't be crossed.

some immature people don't understand the idea of boundaries and they cross them all the time; thinking their good intentions are necessary.

the road to hell is pave by such people
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
no, its not another abortion thread. you asked a question how that was possible. I gave you an example.

some people don't understand boundaries. there is the idea of "thou shall not trespass". there are psychological boundaries just like their are physical boundaries that shouldn't be crossed.

some immature people don't understand the idea of boundaries and they cross them all the time; thinking their good intentions are necessary.

the road to hell is pave by such people
I have no idea what that means. It's too vague. It can mean anything you want it to.
 
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