syo
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Correct.
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Paul - An Apostle?
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Colt
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Yes, Jesus was both human and divine in one miraculous personality. That means he had all the things a man would have, bones, teeth, hair, toenails etc.
nPeace
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Right. He's saying that Saul didn't know Jesus during his three years ministry in the flesh.
You are correct about Jesus not being a Christian. A Christian is a follower of Christ. Since Jesus did not follow Christ - himself - he could no be considered a Christian.
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey said: ↑
" Jesus when he was in the flesh "
Didn't Jesus have any bones and was made of only flesh during his three years ministry, please? Right?
Kindly quote from Jesus for such a claim and the reason given by Jesus in this connection, please. Right?
Similarly, one could not quote a claim from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah's word in a straightforward and unequivocal manner that he was Almighty God, please. Right?
The reasons given, if any, are also to be from Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah not from anybody else, please. Right?
Regards
" Jesus when he was in the flesh "
Didn't Jesus have any bones and was made of only flesh during his three years ministry, please? Right?
Kindly quote from Jesus for such a claim and the reason given by Jesus in this connection, please. Right?
One could not quote a claim from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah's words that he was just a lump of flesh with no bones, please. Right?
Similarly, one could not quote a claim from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah's word in a straightforward and unequivocal manner that he was Almighty God, please. Right?
The reasons given, if any, are also to be from Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah not from anybody else, please. Right?
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah was born an Israelite ,remained an Israelite and he never claimed to be a Hellenist-"Christ", one understand, please. Right?
If yes, then kindly quote from him, please. Right?
Regards
nPeace
Veteran Member
Right. He said, “I am he, the one speaking to you.” (John 4:24) in response to a Samaritan's inquiry...
(John 4:25) . . .The woman said to him: “I know that Messiah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly.”
Peter called Jesus 'the Christ', and Jesus said he was correct.
(Matthew 16:13-17)
13 When he had come into the region of Caesarea Philippi, Jesus asked his disciples: “Who are men saying the Son of man is?” 14 They said: “Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did.
Earlier, Peter and his brother were in expectation of the coming Messiah, or Christ.
(John 1:40-42)
40 Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, was one of the two who heard what John said and followed Jesus. 41 He first found his own brother Simon and said to him: “We have found the Messiah” (which means, when translated, “Christ”), 42 and he led him to Jesus. . .
In fact, all the Jews were expecting the Messiah, or Christ.
Luke 3:15-16
John 4:29-30
John 7:40-43
Colt
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Jesus never said “I am almighty God”. He accepted “Son of God” as a title.
Jesus never said “I Am the Jewish Messiah” Jesus allowed people to believe what the needed to believe.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Yes Jews were waiting for their Messiah, but they were not waiting for the "Christ" which is a Hellenist concept of a dying rising deity and is altogether different from the Israelite Messiah, please. Right?
Regards
nPeace
Veteran Member
The Jews did not understand a lot of things. They were even told about the destruction of Jerusalem and captivity in Babylon, and many were still clueless... not only because of lack of faith, but also because the time was not yet right to clarify certain details.
See Isaiah 53 ; Daniel 9:24-27
Though the Jews in the first century were looking for a savior, they did not grasp, or understand, the details... but those details were written, and did include a sacrifice - death of the Messiah.
They not understanding, or misunderstanding is their problem.
Their imagined expectations, is their lost.
See Psalm 118:22 ; Isaiah 28:16
(Matthew 21:42-46) 42 Jesus said to them: “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone. This has come from Jehovah, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. 44 Also, the person falling on this stone will be shattered. As for anyone on whom it falls, it will crush him.” 45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his illustrations, they knew that he was speaking about them. 46 Although they wanted to seize him, they feared the crowds, because these regarded him as a prophet.
Jesus left the ignorant in their ignorance, while teaching the humble - babes.
(Luke 9:18-22) 18 Later, while he was praying alone, the disciples came to him, and he questioned them, saying: “Who are the crowds saying that I am?” 19 In reply they said: “John the Baptist, but others say Elijah, and still others say that one of the ancient prophets has risen.” 20 Then he said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” Peter answered: “The Christ of God.” 21 Then in a stern talk to them, he instructed them not to tell this to anybody, 22 but he said: “The Son of man must undergo many sufferings and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and on the third day be raised up.”
Joshua Pryce
Member
I do not know how someone could say no, Paul wrote most of the new testament. He was personally approved by Christ unlike Matthias in a literal undeniable way and carried the message and received verifiable revelations which he discussed with peter and the rest of the disciples from time to time.
Colt
Well-Known Member
We have no way of knowing that Jesus “personally approved” Paul.
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
2 Peter 3:15-16
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Giants of the Christian Faith are Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ, John the Baptist and Paul the Apostle.
Paul the Apostle in an Inspired Totally Devoted Servant of Elohim/God.
The 2.2 Billions of Christians in Christendom don't Really understand Paul the Apostle's Writings. It's Impossible for a Non-Christian to understand Paul the Apostle's Writings.
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101G
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John 5:31-6:13 King James Version 31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. Paul would be the false apostle of Ephesus, per Revelation 2:2. The unknown writer of 2 Peter proclaimed Paul as his brother. Of course, he was, as Peter was the 2nd "shepherd"/"staff" of Zechariah 11, who was taken to "pasture" the "flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter", known as the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17). Which is to say the Gentile church is the same "adulteress" bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver for "many days" (Hosea 3), with Judas Iscariot being the 3rd shepherd of Zechariah 11:12-13.
Paul was the founder of the Gentile (Christian) church based on the false gospel of grace/cross/lawlessness. His church of the tares (lawlessness) is destined at the "end of the age" to be "gathered" "first" and thrown into the furnace of fire (Matthew 13:30 & 41-42). As he was the "foremost" sinner, he would also be the foremost/finest leader of the "Christian" church which is destined to be the "first" "gathered" by the "reapers" to then be thrown in the "furnace of fire". Her "fat" shepherds, who would not feed or heal the sheep, will be the first to be "destroyed" (Ezekiel 34:1-16).
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101G
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ERROR, did not "GRACE" and the gospel of it come from God? Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
if "GRACE" and the gospel of it is False, then you're calling God false.
and also, there is only one Church which consist of both Jews and Gentiles, there is no such things as a church of .... (tares, UN-BELIEVERS, that's the World, but the Church of the Lord Jesus is CALLED OUT OF THE WORLD}. this is why so many false prophets try to infiltrate the ONLY CHURCH. anything outside of it is the TARES, (the world). which is not a church. yes, there are many following the Church but is not apart of it, for separating day is coming.
and the apostle Paul was of the ONLY LIVING church which is in Christ Jesus, the Lord, God almighty himself who is the Author of "GRACE".
101G.
lukethethird
unknown member
Paul, by definition, was an apostle.
He was the only known apostle from the first century CE to have written anything down.
Paul claimed that he and Peter were appointed by God to be apostles.
101G
Well-Known Member
yes, for it was the Lord Jesus, God almighty, as the disciple Ananias of Damascus said, "the God of our father has chosen you", for himself. God is the ONE who choose Paul, then Saul. read Acts 22 on Paul's conversion to the faith
even king Agrippa, was almost persuaded by Paul to be a Christian, read Acts chapter 26.
Paul was Hand-picked by God, the Lord Jesus, himself.
101G.
lukethethird
unknown member
Acts is 2nd century church propaganda, don't believe a word of it.
nPeace
Veteran Member
No writings in the Bible are considered by even one atheistic minded Biblical scholar to be later that the first century. Do you know why?
Why then should anyone believe a word you said?