God is disproven by science? Really?

[F1fan]

Did God personally assemble? He spoke things into existence except for mankind he formed.

There are no gods known to exist, nor any function of nature that is better explained as a supernatural cause.

 

[F1fan]

Haha. Well some beliefs cannot be proven or do not seem rational to some. But are still valid

Like OJ being innocent?

 

[F1fan]

So what? Irrational beliefs can often change peoples' lives too. A change in one's life is not evidence that an idea is rational.

Right, the lie Trump told his followers is a belief that they accepted as true, and through herd mentality many of them got whipped up into a frenzy and broke numerous laws, and their accountability for their crimes changed their lives. There is a ripple effect.

 

[millerdog]

If a belief can't be demonstrated to be true, then how can you be rationally justified in believing it?

I guess it's just a personal thing. God / Creator has been described as a personal God

 

[millerdog]

You might have a belief, but you claiming it to be rational and not being able to support that claim makes it a self refuting claim.

Call it what you want but many people have similar beliefs. Not that that actually matters to me

 

[millerdog]

Since we have a mechanism that explains that evidence that supports that mechanism and since there is no evidence for magic I would say that the answer is yes.

Rational beliefs are based upon reliable evidence. Objective evidence.

That's your opinion. Beliefs can be based on personal experience

 

[Subduction Zone]

Call it what you want but many people have similar beliefs. Not that that actually matters to me

So what? Do you understand that in a discussion one needs to be able to support one's claims?

 

[millerdog]

So what? Do you understand that in a discussion one needs to be able to support one's claims?

Who says. Discussion my friend. And sometimes we meet other's with similar feelings

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's your opinion. Beliefs can be based on personal experience

No. Now you are using a false Tu Quoque argument. I am not guilty of the same poor reasoning that you appear to be using. I can support my claims properly which means that they are not just opinions. That is all that you appear to have.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who says. Discussion my friend. And sometimes we meet other's with similar feelings

Wow! More poor arguments that can be refuted with a simple "So what?"

 

[millerdog]

Wow! More poor arguments that can be refuted with a simple "So what?"

Why do you want to argue?

 

[millerdog]

No. Now you are using a false Tu Quoque argument. I am not guilty of the same poor reasoning that you appear to be using. I can support my claims properly which means that they are not just opinions. That is all that you appear to have.

Good for you. I hope you are happy with your substantiated views. But I have nothing to prove. I share my beliefs for people who might want to share theirs and not prove anything. My life is my proof and I don't need any more. What are you trying to prove?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So if you haven't thoroughly examined the science behind the big bang, then your claims about that science aren't really meaningful, are they? It's no different than someone who's never read the Bible making claims about what's in the Bible.

So I would need to know the origin of the Big Bang to see that it’s bogus?

But given how you haven't examined the actual science, it's not an informed observation.

I have examined and are you the actual person who did the study, research and testing?

You're contradicting yourself. Earlier you told me that God ensures the continued existence of living organisms, and without God doing that, no organisms could continue to live. Now you seem to be saying that's not the case.

If the malaria parasite can continue to exist without God's intervention, why couldn't the first life forms on earth have done the same?

And I don't believe anyone is responsible for the emergence of the malaria parasite.

Sickness, death, disease are all a result of Adam and Eve rebellion against God. Satan also is the prince and power of the air, has some temporary power to kill, steal and destroy for now. So malaria is temporary until the end of this age when Satan and all those who have rebelled against God will be judged and thrown into the Lake of Fire. Everyone else who has repented, believed the Gospel and been born again will live with God forever in Heaven where there is no more death or disease. So God warned us and we rebelled, paid the price for that, but God redeemed us.

Because that conflicts with your religious beliefs, right?

No because it doesn’t happen as you said here:
If you're asking whether we've seen living organisms emerge from non-living components (in the sense of abiogenesis), then the answer is no, we haven't. As I said earlier, the origin of life on earth remains a mystery. That's why scientists continue to research it.

Where specifically in Genesis does it say anything about the creation of earth, land, and water before Genesis?

I didn’t say that Genesis says that but what it does say is how God created by speaking things into existence so that’s what I’m going with on land and water.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Go for it but on a thread talking about God as the Intelligent Designer and Creator, the post is talking about Jesus Christ and the Bible is my source. If you don’t like that then don’t ask me any questions. @MrIntelligentDesign started the thread and challenged your views which I haven’t seen any of you be able to refute other than make nonsensical comments.

There was no challenge to scientific views on this thread. Lots of nonsensical claims and self-aggrandizement, but no challenges. There is literally nothing to refute.

Explain to me what you think was done on this thread that was a legitimate challenge.

 

[ElishaElijah]

There was no challenge to scientific views on this thread. Lots of nonsensical claims and self-aggrandizement, but no challenges. There is literally nothing to refute.

Explain to me what you think was done on this thread that was a legitimate challenge.

As I was saying I didn’t see any legitimate challenge to the OP by anyone.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why do you want to argue?

I don't want to argue necessarily. A discussion is not exactly an argument. Ideally a discussion is a learning experience for at least one side.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As I was saying I didn’t see any legitimate challenge to the OP by anyone.

None was needed. All that the OP has is unsubstantiated nonsense and false claims. The burden of proof was upon him and he could not support his claims at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good for you. I hope you are happy with your substantiated views. But I have nothing to prove. I share my beliefs for people who might want to share theirs and not prove anything. My life is my proof and I don't need any more. What are you trying to prove?

You are not even "sharing your beliefs". So far you have only posted false claims about others.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I guess it's just a personal thing. God / Creator has been described as a personal God

Then it sounds as if you are admitting to having an irrational belief.

 

[John53]

As I was saying I didn’t see any legitimate challenge to the OP by anyone.

If you understand his paper maybe you can explain it to me, I've asked him repeatedly and either get insulted or ignored. If I understand it then maybe I can challenge it. As it stands I have no idea what needs to be challenged.