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Love and Belief

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Which is greater, which is a need, love or belief. You can't have both.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
The older I get, the more I find "belief" to be a human conceit that is of little real value in the course of living, and that only serves to support our ignorance and bias.
 
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JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
Belief is too general. Belief in what? "I believe Troy put the groceries away". It doesn't really prevent me from loving Troy(even if he did indeed forget).
 

paradox

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Which is greater, which is a need, love or belief. You can't have both.
belief because belief is necessary for inter-relation between people.
if everyone would have 0 belief in everything then people would not be able coexist, to communicate to do what ever.

for example I would not believe my doctor and I would likely die soon or face health issues.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
belief because belief is necessary for inter-relation between people.
if everyone would have 0 belief in everything then people would not be able coexist, to communicate to do what ever.

for example I would not believe my doctor and I would likely die soon or face health issues.
Maslow never had belief in his hierarchy of needs
 

PureX

Veteran Member
belief because belief is necessary for inter-relation between people.
if everyone would have 0 belief in everything then people would not be able coexist, to communicate to do what ever.

for example I would not believe my doctor and I would likely die soon or face health issues.
We can accept all kinds of things as being true without having to "believe in" their truthfulness. For example, I can accept as true the assertion that Joe Biden is mentally capable of handling the responsibilities of the presidency without believing that this is, in fact, true. My acceptance is a practical choice based on likelihood and probability. Whereas my belief would need to be based on some sort of direct experience. But even then, I know I could still be wrong.

Which is why I think belief is basically just an empty conceit. The fact is that honesty and faith are really all we have to go on. "Belief' is just an unwarranted rejection of skepticism. Something I think we humans should avoid.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Belief is too general. Belief in what? "I believe Troy put the groceries away". It doesn't really prevent me from loving Troy(even if he did indeed forget).
Love is actual. A belief is only a potential.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
Depends what you love and depends what you believe.

I believe I'll have another beer.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Which is greater, which is a need, love or belief. You can't have both.

Then neither love or belief is possible, I see they are inseparable.

"In the hearts of men no real love is found, and the condition is such that, unless their susceptibilities are quickened by some power so that unity, love and accord may develop within them, there can be no healing." (Abdu’l-Bahá, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 171)

Without a source we face this dilemma;

"Love is a veil betwixt the lover and the beloved." (Bahá’u’lláh, The Four Valleys, p. 60)

Thus to find a path to Love, one has to also find belief.

"The essence of love is for man to turn his heart to the Beloved One, and sever himself from all else but Him, and desire naught save that which is the desire of his Lord." (Bahá’u’lláh, Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 155)

Regards Tony
 

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
Then neither love or belief is possible, I see they are inseparable.

"In the hearts of men no real love is found, and the condition is such that, unless their susceptibilities are quickened by some power so that unity, love and accord may develop within them, there can be no healing." (Abdu’l-Bahá, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 171)

Without a source we face this dilemma;

"Love is a veil betwixt the lover and the beloved." (Bahá’u’lláh, The Four Valleys, p. 60)

Thus to find a path to Love, one has to also find belief.

"The essence of love is for man to turn his heart to the Beloved One, and sever himself from all else but Him, and desire naught save that which is the desire of his Lord." (Bahá’u’lláh, Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 155)

Regards Tony

How does that work when one has beliefs that aren't lovng?
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How does that work when one has beliefs that aren't loving?

So we can have beliefs that are not Loving and we can have loving that is not Belief. All this comes about as a construct from the minds of men.

Love has a source, and that source is all the Attributes. All the attributes can only be understood by the example given, which is the Messenger from God. Belief allows us to explore the full potential of Love. Thus they are unseperatable

Without the source, both Belief and Love become what we make of it.

Love can become a hollow word, to some it may only mean sex, whereas Love is the sum of all the attributes.

Belief likewise a hollow word, taking on the form we choose and not focused on the source of Love.

Regards Tony
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Because some will use belief to commit sin. Love covers all sins.

Proverbs 10:12
That verse doesn't say anything about belief being wrong. You would have to throw out half the Bible to take that position.
Why would you think belief means you can't love? That makes no sense.
Everyone has beliefs.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
That verse doesn't say anything about belief being wrong. You would have to throw out half the Bible to take that position.
Why would you think belief means you can't love? That makes no sense.
Everyone has beliefs.
The pharisees believed and got it wrong. Jesus said that he had come and told them. So they had no excuse for their sin.
 
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