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Genesis question regarding light.

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
Without doing a deep dive (or any depth of dive for that matter), can some please explain just when god created the sun according to Genesis? If he created light on the first day (and separated day from night), then how does it happen that he also seemed to do the very same thing on day three? What am I missing?
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
The light on the first day is different than the light from the luminaries on day 4.

Rashi, the commentator on the Jewish Bible claims the light on the first day is reserved for the righteous.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Without doing a deep dive (or any depth of dive for that matter), can some please explain just when god created the sun according to Genesis? If he created light on the first day (and separated day from night), then how does it happen that he also seemed to do the very same thing on day three? What am I missing?


The point?
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Without doing a deep dive (or any depth of dive for that matter), can some please explain just when god created the sun according to Genesis? If he created light on the first day (and separated day from night), then how does it happen that he also seemed to do the very same thing on day three? What am I missing?
Genesis 1:1..
when “the heavens and the earth” were created, that would include the sun. So light ohr would be there.
It is just that the source of those lights - ma•ohr - would not have been observed on the ground until day 4.
The earth had been covered with “clouds and thick gloom”, until then.
 

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
The light on the first day is different than the light from the luminaries on day 4.

Rashi, the commentator on the Jewish Bible claims the light on the first day is reserved for the righteous.

Sorry, that makes no sense. The bible specifically states the light was separated from the dark, and that they were called night and day. It takes the not-yet-created sun to achieve that difference.
 

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
Genesis 1:1..
when “the heavens and the earth” were created, that would include the sun. So light ohr would be there.
It is just that the source of those lights - ma•ohr - would not have been observed on the ground until day 4.
The earth had been covered with “clouds and thick gloom”, until then.

Nope. The bible says that "day and night" were created days before the sun. It contradicts itself right out of the gate.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
What am I missing?
I love the avatar, although its making me feel flippant; and I don't want to be harsh or flippant. Tough little kitty. I like it.

Consider the talking serpent. Consider fruit that grants knowledge. All of that is perfectly acceptable to you but the bit about the Sun is giving you difficulty? That's the part that you can't understand?

It isn't a Quran and is part of a five part law book, and its not meant to be understood by you. Do you remember the part of the story that has a cherubim with a flaming sword that guards the way against anyone who would approach the tree of life? If the tree of life is guarded then who knows what else is guarded? Does anything about the story not make sense to you? That could be a signal that its not supposed to make sense to you...or to me either. So that seems to be one thing you are missing. Its not explanatory like a Quran. This is a walled city with gates shut.
 

stevecanuck

Well-Known Member
I love the avatar, although its making me feel flippant; and I don't want to be harsh or flippant. Tough little kitty. I like it.

That Bucky Katt from the comic strip Get Fuzzy.

Consider the talking serpent. Consider fruit that grants knowledge. All of that is perfectly acceptable to you but the bit about the Sun is giving you difficulty? That's the part that you can't understand?

What makes you think I find any of that acceptable?

It isn't a Quran and is part of a five part law book, and its not meant to be understood by you.

Why not. It just words. I do words.

Do you remember the part of the story that has a cherubim with a flaming sword that guards the way against anyone who would approach the tree of life? If the tree of life is guarded then who knows what else is guarded? Does anything about the story not make sense to you? That could be a signal that its not supposed to make sense to you...or to me either. So that seems to be one thing you are missing. Its not explanatory like a Quran. This is a walled city with gates shut.

Sorry, but that's a bit of a meaningless word salad.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Without doing a deep dive (or any depth of dive for that matter), can some please explain just when god created the sun according to Genesis? If he created light on the first day (and separated day from night), then how does it happen that he also seemed to do the very same thing on day three? What am I missing?

It could be related to this:
New Living Translation

22 I saw no temple in the city, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its light. 24 The nations will walk in its light, and the kings of the world will enter the city in all their glory.
 
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