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Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Again, spirituality is vague. As a way to live your highest life it's a fairly uniform pursuit. Beyond that Each religion will have a different path, God, idea, afterlife and definition of the word. The Heavens gate decided suicide would get their souls onto an oncoming ufo ship.
Scientologists are taught about an alien race war. Christianity teaches removing this "sin-force" and belief in a Greek savior deity for entry into an afterlife.
Mediums say your family says hello and they are waiting for you in the afterlife. Hinduism says consciousness is the fundamental reality. Except the other Hinduism which says Vishnu is the supreme and personal God. LOA quantum mystics say concepts like "good" and "negative" can be encoded into energy and it comes out of your brain through your skull into the world. Wow, even physicists don't know that yet?

Should I keep going? Spiritual people can believe what they like. Before belief in a spiritual world is warranted some evidence would be good. Beliefs do not reflect reality.
Spiritual lifestyle is obviously not what you seek, that is no problem for me
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Biology says I’m a human being, evolution is the false interpretation that human beings are the same family as apes.
You haven't explained why DNA doesn't matter? Hand waving DNA is hilarious.



Biology says your species is homo sapien/modern human
the Genus is homo
the Tribe is Homininni
the Subfamily is homininae
the Family is Hominidae which is all apes - Pongo, Gorilla, Pan, Homo

Then Infraorder begins breaking it down to Simians, anthropoids, higher apes

That is Taxonomy and is how we classify animals. NOT EVOLUTION. It is complex but precise and uses:
  • Morphological characters
    • General external morphology
    • Special structures (e.g. genitalia)
    • Internal morphology (anatomy)
    • Embryology
    • Karyology and other cytological factors
  • Physiological characters
    • Metabolic factors
    • Body secretions
    • Genic sterility factors
  • Molecular characters
    • Immunological distance
    • Electrophoretic differences
    • Amino acid sequences of proteins
    • DNA hybridization
    • DNA and RNA sequences
    • Restriction endonuclease analyses
    • Other molecular differences
  • Behavioral characters
    • Courtship and other ethological isolating mechanisms
    • Other behavior patterns
  • Ecological characters
    • Habit and habitats
    • Food
    • Seasonal variations
    • Parasites and hosts
  • Geographic characters
    • General biogeographic distribution patterns
    • Sympatric-allopatric relationship of populations
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Why should I use your definition? I AM NOT YOU.
All must came from God. The God is the very first source. Hence, General Relativity came not from Einstein or Science, but from God:

John 15:5-7 NIV “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
Spiritual lifestyle is obviously not what you seek, that is no problem for me


Weird left turn? Non-sequitur? Not even correct at that? You still haven't even defined the term spirituality? Then You haven't defined what you mean by "spiritual lifestyle".
YOur statement I answered was incorrect, or do you think the Heavens Gate got their souls onto that UFO? Either way it's clear the term has many different meanings.
I know about many versions of "spirituality" because I looked into them. Maybe I still am?
Some think spirituality is meditating, Buddhism and working on one's self while alive. Others think it's belief in myths and mythical afterlifes. The term is useless as it is.

Seems the more one drags spirituality into the supernatural the more one is adding fictional baggage onto it. One Hinduism isn't bad, Advaita Vedanta but when they get to explaining proofs of some concepts it falls short.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
All must came from God. The God is the very first source. Hence, General Relativity came not from Einstein or Science, but from God:

John 15:5-7 NIV “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.




Nope, Inanna was first. Innana is God

"Queen of all given powers...
my Queen of fundamental forces
guardian of essential cosmic forces
you life up the elements
bind them to your hands
before you, all the great Gods
fly away to the ruins
all knowing
creator of wisdom
creator of male and female
life giver to all.....

from the Exaltation of Inanna, Enheduanna (first known author in history)
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
How the Nihilist answers to this?
It's gibberish, and that was my answer above. Most comments on species evolution by creationists are gibberish, as they have "learned" about their cartoon version of it through creationist propaganda. Sometimes it's funny, but mostly it's so incomprehensible it's embarrassing gibberish, as was the case here, where @ElishaElijah seemed to be suggested that different species ought to be able to breed because they have common or shared ancestry. Proving unequivocally he doesn't understand what a species it, or that apes (uncluding humans) are a taxonomical group and not a single species, and that all living things have shared ancestry.
 
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Sheldon

Veteran Member
It is peer-reviewed by MDPI in 2022AD and found authentic, Jesus Christ own.
No it isn't, even were the new date established it woudn't evidence anything about th erelic beyond its date of origin, that's just your ridiculous hubris, which is a hallmark of almost every single post of yours. What's more the peer review scientist (in the video you linked) pointed out that this was a new dating technique, and that it contradicted a very different existing result using a well established method, and thus we should use cautions before reaching any conclusion about this test, before it can be thoroughly investigated. You are so biased it's hilarious, you've been proclaiming yourself a scientific genius for months on here, and yet can't grasp a most basic requirement for any scientist like remaining objective, and using caution when making assertions.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Luke 16:31.
Unless you people see signs and wonders,' Jesus told him, 'you will never believe.' John 4:48. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted. Matthew 28:17. John 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Proselyting.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
All must came from God. The God is the very first source. Hence, General Relativity came not from Einstein or Science, but from God:

John 15:5-7 NIV “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
That is your belief
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
It is a lie or misunderstanding because the scientific methods were applied in testing:
1. Shroud of Turin,
2. Miracle of Lanciano - Wikipedia
3. Holy Fire.

Dating a piece of cloth doesn't evidence anything supernatural about it, and the technique's result is not conclusive, as your own video explained. Miracles are defined as have no scientific explanation, if science can explain them then there is no need to pretend they're a miracle anymore. Good god man consult a dictionary now and again.

miracle
noun
  1. an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Weird left turn? Non-sequitur? Not even correct at that? You still haven't even defined the term spirituality? Then You haven't defined what you mean by "spiritual lifestyle".
YOur statement I answered was incorrect, or do you think the Heavens Gate got their souls onto that UFO? Either way it's clear the term has many different meanings.
I know about many versions of "spirituality" because I looked into them. Maybe I still am?
Some think spirituality is meditating, Buddhism and working on one's self while alive. Others think it's belief in myths and mythical afterlifes. The term is useless as it is.

Seems the more one drags spirituality into the supernatural the more one is adding fictional baggage onto it. One Hinduism isn't bad, Advaita Vedanta but when they get to explaining proofs of some concepts it falls short.
Why do i answer you vague?
Because I have nothing to prove to others. My answer only comes from my own understanding and understanding of what spiritual lifestyle has done for me in the last 35 years.

If you have found your own answer to what spirituality is or isn't, that is good
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
That is your belief
Faith is not blind. Trust could sometimes be blind, but not the faith.
The supreme Apostle Paul said that faith is the assurance of things
not seen. Is there an even better definition?
Faith is loyalty and faithfulness. For example, we know that you can
not put your fingers in a fire. But we are not faithful to this principle
and prohibition. So, we have put them in and got a severe burn. Faith in
God is fidelity and faithfulness to the path of Goodness and Holiness.
 
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