Subduction Zone
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Why would you support an obvious fake? If one has to rely on a fake relic it tells us that that person's faith is very weak.
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Shroud of Turin is from first AD.
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Why would you support an obvious fake? If one has to rely on a fake relic it tells us that that person's faith is very weak.
rational experiences
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Photography on cloth didn't lie. Men do.
questfortruth
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questfortruth
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It is peer-reviewed by MDPI in 2022AD and found authentic, Jesus Christ own.
Subduction Zone
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Not really. It was peer reviewed by what appears to be a rather low class journal. To give it any credibility you need to find articles explaining how that technology is superior to C14 dating.
Sadly it appears that your sources are not reliable.
questfortruth
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And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. Luke 16:31.
Unless you people see signs and wonders,' Jesus told him, 'you will never believe.' John 4:48. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted. Matthew 28:17. John 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Spirit of Light
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I did not take your answer as prozelyting
so to me your answer was informative
joelr
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Science is also handicapped in the area of magic, sorcery, black magic, witchcraft, mutant powers, alien tech, healing crystal magic, ghosts and detecting angels.
Spiritual matters ARE discerned by spiritual people. Which is why we have 4200 religions and hundreds of Gods and each is the actual supreme true God, witchcraft, magic, remote viewers, mediums who talk to dead people, psychics who predict the future and not one of them can produce any evidence to verify their claims. Spiritual people have figured out if you buy into something and believe it, IT'S TRUE!! Also evidence doesn't matter and science can't test the supernatural. Also science cannot test things that are not real. I guess that's just a weird coincidence?
Spirit of Light
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Religious people and spiritual people holds a belief that what they do believe in are the truth.
Most spiritual people are not in need of physical things or evidence to believe something to exist spiritually.
questfortruth
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It is a lie or misunderstanding because the scientific methods were applied in testing:
1. Shroud of Turin,
2. Miracle of Lanciano - Wikipedia
3. Holy Fire.
questfortruth
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No. The Knowledge is defined as that the God of this person knows. Therefore, you know General Relativity only because your inner God agrees with it.
Spirit of Light
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No i know about General relativity because of Science, not because of any spiritual teaching from God.
joelr
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Non-sequitur. Are humans and horses mammals? Yes but they can't mate.
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia - all mammals
Order: Primates - specific mammals
Suborder: Haplorhini - specific primates, simian/tarsiers
Infraorder: Simiiformes - higher primates, any simian or tarsier that is a higher primate
Parvorder: Catarrhini - apes and cerpithiocodiea
Superfamily: Hominoidea - certain apes
Family: Hominidae - even more specific apes
Genus - homo - apes that walk
species - homo sapien or dozens of extinct walking apes over millions of years, slowly looking more human. Right before H Sapien was H. Heidelburgensis. They wore clothes, made tools, buried the dead.
Finally Homo sapien, modern humans.
Breeding happens with species. Some H Sapien did mate with H Neandrathal as DNA shows. So mating among Genus is possible.
Your suggestion to interbreed species with suborder or whatever shows you just don't know anything about this subject either.
joelr
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Right. Well if what is actually true is not at all important to someone then that sounds like a perfect fit.
Spirituality is a vague ill-defined word and has many meanings so it's hard to make a blanket statement about that.
questfortruth
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WRONGG!!!! Use my definitions.
joelr
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1. Shroud of Turin,- The most recent analysis (2020) concluded that the stated date range needs to be adjusted by up to 88 years in order to properly meet the requirement of "95% confidence"
Greek savior demigods don't have any more magic power than any other like Inanna or Osirus so looking for God magic in myths is as sketchy as Alien abductions.
2. Miracle of Lanciano - Wikipedia someone put some blood in a cup. Bread was not turned to blood in a lab setting. Sai Baba has millions of witnesses to all sorts of miracles in the early 1900s. Those are also tricks.
3. Holy Fire a trick and not a lab setting - One of the Armenian torchbearers, a task that is usually passed down from father to son (or other male member of a torchbearer's family), has admitted that his father revealed to him that the source of the fire was ancient and symbolic but not a miracle. He said: "The Greek priests bring in a lamp - one that has been kept burning for 1,500 years - to produce the Holy Fire. For pilgrims full of faith who come from abroad, it is a fire from Heaven, a true miracle. But not for us."[32]
All a bunch of crank.
joelr
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So in Islam the billions of inner Gods know that the angel Gabrielle came down and gave updates that the Christians and Jews have corrupted the real message from Yahweh and Christians/Jews are liers and cursed. A painful doom awaits.
30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
31 They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!
they say Jesus was a prophet, not a God and consider this heretical and against Yahweh message
34 O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom,
Give tidings (Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.
35 On the day when it will (all) be heated in the fire of hell, and their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded therewith (and it will be said unto them): Here is that which ye hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what ye used to hoard.
Surah 9
REPENTANCE (Al-Tawbah)
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Spirit of Light
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To you it may sound that way.
Different spiritual teaching twach somewhat different but they all lead toward the answers about spiritual life.
To many spiritual people this physical world is not the real life, or real purpose of existence.
Spirit of Light
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Why should I use your definition? I AM NOT YOU.
joelr
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Again, spirituality is vague. As a way to live your highest life it's a fairly uniform pursuit. Beyond that Each religion will have a different path, God, idea, afterlife and definition of the word. The Heavens gate decided suicide would get their souls onto an oncoming ufo ship.
Scientologists are taught about an alien race war. Christianity teaches removing this "sin-force" and belief in a Greek savior deity for entry into an afterlife.
Mediums say your family says hello and they are waiting for you in the afterlife. Hinduism says consciousness is the fundamental reality. Except the other Hinduism which says Vishnu is the supreme and personal God. LOA quantum mystics say concepts like "good" and "negative" can be encoded into energy and it comes out of your brain through your skull into the world. Wow, even physicists don't know that yet?
Should I keep going? Spiritual people can believe what they like. Before belief in a spiritual world is warranted some evidence would be good. Beliefs do not reflect reality.