Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

[ElishaElijah]

Was my post addressed to you? Why do you bring this up? You can look the word up in a dictionary.

The post you responded to was addressed to me and so how is that post proselytizing even if it was addressed to you?

 

[questfortruth]

Is a beating heart just a clump of cells? Arms, legs, a brain, nervous system?

Enemies of God made you angry. It is good. But do not keep the feeling for a long time.

 

[Sheldon]

Your Motic Operandi: Change the subject with meaningless statements and not respond to posts concerning the subject of the thread. Please respond . . .

It is obvious by your religious agenda that you would accept the dating of the shroud of Turin based on the same principles that date our historical past 40 t0 50 thousand years and evolutionary past, and the history of the earth } but not accept the dating paleontological and geologic history by C14 and related radiometric dating methods that use the same atomic principles.

For example, the c14 and other radiometric dating methods correlated with the evidence of a uniform natural stratigraphy demonstrate the impossibility of a Noah world flood.

I noticed this as well, and that his responses become less relevant and more and more cryptic as his arguments are challenged. I don't think he has much interest in debate, rather he wants to present his beliefs endlessly and unchallenged.

 

[questfortruth]

I see the facts one way you see them another, you have your interpretation of facts and I posted mine, which are accurate.

The satan has lost the gift of Existence. He is like zombie. Do not argue with enemy of the God of Love.

 

[Sheldon]

A developing baby is not just clump of cells is it? That’s your view?

So you’re saying the innocent in this case has no voice or rights

Correct, and calling it innocent is pretty meaningless as well, another pretty obvious attempt at emotive rhetoric, since no insentient thing can be otherwise. might as well call my toe nail clippings innocent.

and at which stage of the pregnancy is the developing baby more than a clump of cells?

It's not a baby.

Is a beating heart just a clump of cells? Arms, legs, a brain, nervous system?

The word just is yours not mine, do you really think to use such sophistry unchallenged, and you have omitted the word insentient for good measure. If you are going to misrepresent my arguments, then why should I indulge you with an edifying response?

 

[Sheldon]

I see the facts one way you see them another, you have your interpretation of facts and I posted mine, which are accurate.

Nope, you are ignoring the facts about how historical claims are objectively scrutinised, and pretending religious beliefs are historical facts, because they are held by biblical scholars. Your sophistry here is the antithesis of accurate, nor can you at this stage be unaware of this fact, or why it is the case.

 

[Sheldon]

The satan has lost the gift of Existence. He is like zombie. Do not argue with enemy of the God of Love.

This is a debate forum, not much point being here if you have no interest in debate. I don't believe in demons, anymore than I do deities.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Correct, and calling it innocent is pretty meaningless as well, another pretty obvious attempt at emotive rhetoric, since no insentient thing can be otherwise. might as well call my toe nail clippings innocent.



It's not a baby.



The word just is yours not mine, do you really think to use such sophistry unchallenged, and you have omitted the word insentient for good measure. If you are going to misrepresent my arguments, then why should I indulge you with an edifying response?

I think you lose on your view…notice the language used, same language I’m using, developing baby.
During Pregnancy | CDC

 

[Sheldon]

The post you responded to was addressed to me and so how is that post proselytizing even if it was addressed to you?

Who cares, the post you responded was not addressed to you was it? Either it's a problem or it is not, you can't have it both ways, this is a public debate forum, I tire of pointing this out to you. Do you not know what proselyting means, and the fact ot was primarily addressed to you is irrelevant, since it is... PUBLIC DEBATE FORUM?

 

[Sheldon]

Enemies of God made you angry. It is good. But do not keep the feeling for a long time.

A subjective belief in a deity doesn't make your claims right, and if hearing opposing views makes you angry, then again one would have to wonder why anyone would come to a public debate forum.

Atheists are not the enemy of any deity, they simply don't believe any deity exists, the rest is just your imagination.

 

[Sheldon]

I think you lose on your view…notice the language used, same language I’m using, developing baby.
During Pregnancy | CDC

I don't care what you believe, only in the facts. If you think this is not an insentient clump of cells:

Then you're demonstrably wrong.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I don't care what you believe, only in the facts. If you think this is not an insentient clump of cells:

Then you're demonstrably wrong.

Even CDC disagrees with you.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Who cares, the post you responded was not addressed to you was it? Either it's a problem or it is not, you can't have it both ways, this is a public debate forum, I tire of pointing this out to you. Do you not know what proselyting means, and the fact ot was primarily addressed to you is irrelevant, since it is... PUBLIC DEBATE FORUM?

How is that song proselytizing? It’s a song about speaking the truth, if you believe it’s proselytizing then I will agree with you and then it just proves the fact that you really do understand what truth is and can now stop denying what you know in your heart, that God really does exist. You can’t have this both ways.

 

[questfortruth]

How is that song proselytizing? It’s a song about speaking the truth, if you believe it’s proselytizing then I will agree with you and then it just proves the fact that you really do understand what truth is and can now stop denying what you know in your heart, that God really does exist. You can’t have this both ways.

Thank you for perfect protection, my angel.

 

[questfortruth]

How is that song proselytizing? It’s a song about speaking the truth, if you believe it’s proselytizing then I will agree with you and then it just proves the fact that you really do understand what truth is and can now stop denying what you know in your heart, that God really does exist. You can’t have this both ways.

Matthew 5:10 KJV Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for their's is the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The sacrificing of children to Molech in the fire is more along the lines of the current abortion industry and murder. This is condemned in the Bible.
There are instances where miscarriage happens in the Bible and even these aren’t blessings but a curse.

Fetuses and embryos are not babies, and event the Bible recognizes this. Your example fails.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here’s a list of biblical scholars:
A List Of Conservative And Liberal Bible Scholars
Modern atheists often say that “a majority of scholars…” say certain things regarding the reliability of the Bible. When we press these individuals on precisely who these scholars are, we find that they are most often liberal scholars who do not believe God exists in the first place.

LOL!! That is an apologetics site. Most apologetics think that what they are doing is "scholarship". It isn't. Now I hope that not all of the conservative scholars are apologists and not scholars, but I bet that a high percentage of them are. To be considered a scholar one needs to publish in the professional journals of that field. How many of the conservatives do that regularly?

 

[Subduction Zone]

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You can justify a developing human being by calling it by another name but when looking at the pictures of a developing baby in the womb, this shows a different picture and reality.
How are abortions done? What’s the method at say 15 weeks?
So this is more along the lines of sacrificing to Molech or worse.

A high percentage of abortions are done chemically. Just like in the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That list has been debunked again and again, they're offering subjective beliefs, just because someone is a biblical scholar doesn't mean everything they believe satisfies the criteria for validating historical claims. The crucifixion and therefor an extant character called Jesus, and the only two claims corroborated independently and thus considered to likely be historically true, the rest is pure hearsay.

The rest of your post is risible, the idea that believers would be far less likely in general to find biblical claims unreliable than unbelievers, it's so trivially true as to be meaningless.

The source was flawed so I did not even check the list. I am betting that most of the conservatives are not even scholars.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I find it very accurate

But you do not know how to properly evaluate such a list.