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A "historic victory for white life"

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But you can say, "I am proud to be Scottish/German/Norwegian, etc." The reason is the history behind what is means to be White or Black in America. Since Black Americans were forced to come to this land in shackles and suffered through horrible mistreatment, being a "Black" American and proud of that is a way of reclaiming their history. Whereas, being proud of being "White" in America comes with the history of the label being used as the oppressors of the "Black" Americans.

But given that many Europeans did immigrate and weren't necessarily attached to that history, being proud of a culture that is separate from that oppression is fine.
A pride pecking order, eh.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Right.
Some races can have pride.
One cannot.

(I'm OK without it.)

Nope.

Using the identity of "white" for pride instead of "American" or whatever ethnicity you identify with is problematic because the very concept of "white" in America implies horrific histories of oppression and brutality. "Black" Americans feeling pride are appropriating the term to counteract that oppression and in many cases, they can't identify their African roots due to being forced to procreate to use their offspring as slaves, and in having their families and cultures removed from them.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
But you can say, "I am proud to be Scottish/German/Norwegian, etc." The reason is the history behind what is means to be White or Black in America. Since Black Americans were forced to come to this land in shackles and suffered through horrible mistreatment, being a "Black" American and proud of that is a way of reclaiming their history. Whereas, being proud of being "White" in America comes with the history of the label being used as the oppressors of the "Black" Americans.

But given that many Europeans did immigrate and weren't necessarily attached to that history, being proud of a culture that is separate from that oppression is fine.
Yup. "White" is an odd one to be proud of. We've never been white before. It's cultural erasure. It lumps us all together even though our individual histories begin at various times across the past few hundred years. And outside of broad generalizations it's mostly white supremacists with heavily distorted views of society and history using it and saying they're proud of it.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Right.
Some races can have pride.
One cannot.

(I'm OK without it.)
I don't get why those such as us (those of Celtic heritage) would identify as white in America, in regards to the "predominate white history and culture," because the Irish and Scots where brought here as slaves along with Africans, it's strongly tied to the Anglo-Saxon's history here (you can even find them used interchangeably at times), and it's even spilled over into religious prejudice against Catholicism (along with Hispanic, Spanish, and others who are predominately Catholic).
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nope.

Using the identity of "white" for pride instead of "American" or whatever ethnicity you identify with is problematic because the very concept of "white" in America implies horrific histories of oppression and brutality. "Black" Americans feeling pride are appropriating the term to counteract that oppression and in many cases, they can't identify their African roots due to being forced to procreate to use their offspring as slaves, and in having their families and cultures removed from them.
Still a pecking order.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't get why those such as us (those of Celtic heritage) would identify as white in America, in regards to the "predominate white history and culture," because the Irish and Scots where brought here as slaves along with Africans, it's strongly tied to the Anglo-Saxon's history here (you can even find them used interchangeably at times), and it's even spilled over into religious prejudice against Catholicism (along with Hispanic, Spanish, and others who are predominately Catholic).
I'm a mongrel anyway.
No real identity with the old country(s).
Scotland is a joke.
(Sorry 'bout that, Scots.)
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
As is being proud of being queer, fan of a club or citizen of a country (except for immigrants).
I can't be proud of being German, I was born here, I did nothing to be proud of.
As a Whovian, you, sir, have struck a nerve!
:p
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I'm a mongrel anyway.
No real identity with the old country(s).
Scotland is a joke.
(Sorry 'bout that, Scots.)
But they gave us pancakes! And make America not alone with deep frying everything! And they'll kick a terrorist in the balls so hard they'll brake their ankle! And, really, they do make British history far more entertaining.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But they gave us pancakes! And make America not alone with deep frying everything! And they'll kick a terrorist in the balls so hard they'll brake their ankle! And, really, they do make British history far more entertaining.
But it's not my personal history.
My ancestors are just stories.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
But it's not my personal history.
You didn't start here a couple hundred years ago (except for maybe some native I've not heard you mention). It's not personal history, but it's where we come from. It's the wars and alliances, famines and feasts, and a world of other miseries and euphorias that got us here. And not just geographically, but collectively and individually how we perceive and think about the world.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You didn't start here a couple hundred years ago (except for maybe some native I've not heard you mention). It's not personal history, but it's where we come from. It's the wars and alliances, famines and feasts, and a world of other miseries and euphorias that got us here. And not just geographically, but collectively and individually how we perceive and think about the world.
All irrelevant to me.
 
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