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Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

firedragon

Veteran Member
The Top Science has proven in 2022 AD that God does exist:


``New Peer Reviewed Date for the Shroud of Turin'' YouTube, De Caro L., Teresa Sibillano, Rocco Lassandro, Cinzia Giannini,
Giulio Fanti, ``X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud's Linen Sample'' Heritage 5(2), 860--870 (2022).

X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud’s Linen Sample

Why to remain an atheist? There is 4-th law of Logic - "Sufficient Reasoning". The features of the S. of T. together with the discovery of its age make the God so much probable, that it is Sufficient to conclude, that God exists. Some Creationist can lie to save an atheist. But I have provided all facts: peer-reviewed paper, sufficient reasoning principle.

To my knowledge,
Friedrich Nietzsche defines Nihilism as rejecting an obvious truth, like 2+2=4.
It is Nihilism to reply ``there are no proofs'' without reporting mistakes.
Otherwise, it is crazy trolling and bullying, like in the case against Jesus:
``If I said something wrong, show what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth,
why did you strike Me?'' John 18:23.

Let's say the Shroud of Turin is from the first century. Hypothetically. How do you know it has anything to do with Jesus himself?

And hypothetically, lets say it is directly related to Jesus, how does it prove He is God?
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
disagree without any reason.

They don't have to disagree, the scientists doing the peer review advised caution before reaching any conclusions about the results, as it contradicts earlier research, and is a new method of dating. That aside even were it objectively demonstrated as accurate, it would not support your assumptions about the relic and an extant deity.
 
So no then, you can't offer a single independent source supporting that claim? Don't you find it bizarre that the RCC hasn't reported this at all? For a self proclaimed genius you seem pretty gullible.
Would you call it as hominem if someone called you gullible for a self proclaimed sitcom actor?
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Let's say the Shroud of Turin is from the first century. Hypothetically. How do you know it has anything to do with Jesus himself?

And hypothetically, lets say it is directly related to Jesus, how does it prove He is God?
The Principle of Sufficient Reason. Look in above posts.
 
What is in whose books? Anyone else noticed when his hyperbole is challenged his posts become more and more cryptic, even his English seems to suffer. I am starting to wonder if isn't an evasive tactic.
No, I haven’t noticed, you may be reading into something that’s not there
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
"As Christians, and in the light of the Scriptures, continues Pope Francis, “we contemplate in this Cloth the icon of the Lord Jesus crucified, dead and risen."
Pope Francis

To 'contemplate' as an 'icon' is not to authenticate.
 

Suave

Simulated character
The Top Science has proven in 2022 AD that God does exist:


``New Peer Reviewed Date for the Shroud of Turin'' YouTube, De Caro L., Teresa Sibillano, Rocco Lassandro, Cinzia Giannini,
Giulio Fanti, ``X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud's Linen Sample'' Heritage 5(2), 860--870 (2022).

X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud’s Linen Sample

Why to remain an atheist? There is 4-th law of Logic - "Sufficient Reasoning". The features of the S. of T. together with the discovery of its age make the God so much probable, that it is Sufficient to conclude, that God exists. Some Creationist can lie to save an atheist. But I have provided all facts: peer-reviewed paper, sufficient reasoning principle.

To my knowledge,
Friedrich Nietzsche defines Nihilism as rejecting an obvious truth, like 2+2=4.
It is Nihilism to reply ``there are no proofs'' without reporting mistakes.
Otherwise, it is crazy trolling and bullying, like in the case against Jesus:
``If I said something wrong, show what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth,
why did you strike Me?'' John 18:23.

Italian scientist Luigi Garlachelli reproduced a full-sized replica of the Shroud of Turin using materials and techniques that were available in the 13th century.

Luigi Garlaschelli's team of scientists placed a linen sheet flat over a volunteer and then rubbed the sheet with an acidic pigment. They used a mask for the face.

The pigment's aged appearance was made by heating the cloth in an oven and washing it, this process removed it from the surface while leaving a fuzzy, half-tone image similar to that on the Shroud of Turin. The original Shroud of Turin's pigment may very well have faded naturally over the course of many centuries,

Reference: Life-size Reproduction of the Shroud of Turin and its Image.
Journal of Imaging Science and Technology, 2010 Garlachelli, Luigi

IS&T | Library (imaging.org)


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questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Italian scientist Luigi Garlachelli reproduced a full-sized replica of the Shroud of Turin using materials and techniques that were available in the 13th century.

Luigi Garlaschelli's team of scientists placed a linen sheet flat over a volunteer and then rubbed the sheet with an acidic pigment. They used a mask for the face.
It is mistake of a Christian to debunk proofs of God. It is the job of Atheists.
 
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