Should Bahaism be allowed to be practiced in Iran.

[LuisDantas]

So your religion is the United States? Maybe others should expect people like you to come with an irrelevant comparison and a slight insult to about 2 billion people as "perspectives"?

You are not paying a lot of attention to what is actually said, are you?

I will just point out that of course billions of people are very wrong when it comes to Abrahamic beliefs.

That has in fact been made an undeniable fact by the Qur'an, ironically enough.

If you want to dispute this claim of mine, I'm right here whenever you want to give me that pleasure.

 

[firedragon]

I am confused. Was I replying to you in the original statement? It was a reply to something said by another poster was it not? I found the original statement made by the original poster very frivolous and wrote an equally frivolous counter in an ironical fashion. Not everything has to be about ignorance of Islam, Israel Palestine issue or any some such thing ok?

Do you like bringing up Hamas as a counter for arguments without knowing much about them?

 

[firedragon]

Since @firedragon is calling on people to address the foolish arguments of the OP when it is a call to ban an entire group for the arguments of one or two Baha'i anyway, which is itself illogical I'm tagging him in this post too.

Ad hominem. Nothing reasonable against the OP.

 

[firedragon]

You are not paying a lot of attention to what is actually said, are you?

I will just point out that of course billions of people are very wrong when it comes to Abrahamic beliefs.

That has in fact been made an undeniable fact by the Qur'an, ironically enough.

If you want to dispute this claim of mine, I'm right here whenever you want to give me that pleasure.

Irrelevant though. I mean absolutely irrelevant. Maybe it is you who are not paying any attention to anything at all.

 

[VoidCat]

My head hurts reading all these posts...probably cuz i don't know anything about what's being talked on. Imma have to read up on this stuff on my own time.

 

[sayak83]

Do you like bringing up Hamas as a counter for arguments without knowing much about them?

Please provide another example where I have used Hamas.
I have never said that I did not know about them. I said I am not interested in talking about Israel and Palestine with you currently. Sorry.

 

[firedragon]

Please provide another example where I have used Hamas.
I have never said that I did not know about them. I said I am not interested in talking about Israel and Palestine with you currently. Sorry.

Very good.

Cheers.

 

[LuisDantas]

Irrelevant though. I mean absolutely irrelevant. Maybe it is you who are not paying any attention to anything at all.

Such a reckless attempt at avoiding responsibility for what you said requires acknowledgement.

No admiration nor respect, of course. But acknowledgerment for sure.

 

[firedragon]

Such a reckless attempt at avoiding responsibility for what you said requires acknowledgement.

No admiration nor respect, of course. But acknowledgerment for sure.

Irrelevant.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

@Link

Do you know if Christians can build churches in Iran and practice their faith?

The Shia Muslims are constantly proselytizing in TVs and everywhere. Can Christians proselytize too?
What about Zoroasterians?
Can Sunni Muslims build their own mosques in Iran?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

They support Israel. How is that peaceful?

In Palestine and Israel conflict, the Bahais don't take side with anyone. If Bahais were to take side, they were not ashamed to say it straightforward.

What I told you in another thread was, according to the Quran and the Biblical prophecies, when the End time comes, God will cause the Jews return to the Land of Israel, and so it did happened.
This was one of the signs of Judgement Day, as clearly stated in the Holy Books. And it is fulfilled. It has nothing to do with Bahais taking side with Israel.
@Link, you are more intelligent than this, to follow in the footsteps of the Mullas.
In the first century of the Bahai Faith, the Mullas were only arguing theological things with Bahais. But once they realized they cannot win theologically, they started making up accusations against Bahais, that they are spy of Israel, and Britain and USA, and they are against Iranians, so, in this way, they can take advantage of Iranians nationalism feelings, against Bahais.

 

[Link]

@InvestigateTruth there is so many satellite channels that are against Iranian government but are allowed in Iran.

Sunnis have Mosques. They even have an area where they use to be minority but now are becoming majority. Some of it has to do with them having a lot of kids, and some of it has to do with them winning in propaganda.

They of course are allowed to advocate their faith. Same with Christians and Jews.

This is somewhat of myth that west has propagated that there is no free speech allowed in Iran. It does house arrest certain people if they harm society with speech and advocate harmful actions by society.

And you are diluting what you said. You said they were rewarded by God with Israel while Muslims including Shiites being punished now by God by the events we are facing.

 

[Link]

. But once they realized they cannot win theologically,

Considering your faith is sophistry with Quran I don't think this is it. More likely the accusations are true.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Considering your faith is sophistry with Quran I don't think this is it. More likely the accusations are true.

You say it is sophistry, yet, from Scriptures you have not been able to prove this!

 

[Link]

Wow! This thread reeks of special pleading. All the time you carrry on about how according to Quran verses disbelievers are to recieve eternal punishment from God, and yet the shoe goes on the other foot and its like - Ban them!

ROFL.

Since @firedragon is calling on people to address the foolish arguments of the OP when it is a call to ban an entire group for the arguments of one or two Baha'i anyway, which is itself illogical I'm tagging him in this post too.

In my opinion.

You not representing my argument. I'm not talking about punishment in next world. I'm talking about political events and interpreting them in a way that seeks to take side against national security of Iran. If your whole religion thinks sanctions for example is part of God's punishment on a people, are you going to help the country as opposed to make things worse?

See the difference in Quran, where Rome was in a severe state of oppression but God promised he would help them and they would come out victorious after some years, and that believers would celebrate.

You see, that would make sense. Bahais being off-shoot of Islam like us being the next shoot off Gospels, to advocate for the past people who are yet to acknowledge the current Messenger per whatever view. To be rooting for us, and on our side. But no. No no.

Rather we all being punished. Most Muslims including Shiites haven't even heard of Bahai faith.

 

[Link]

You say it is sophistry, yet, from Scriptures you have not been able to prove this!

Sure I haven't. If you chirping irrational interpretations that are conjecture and even sometimes out right lie about the language, then it's up to you to believe you've won.

I've shown beyond doubt but this is not the issue. The issue is your interpretation of day of judgment has become such that it works against national security of Iran and Shias. This is a case where your religion is Jahr bel soo which Quran forbids.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

@InvestigateTruth there is so many satellite channels that are against Iranian government but are allowed in Iran.

Sunnis have Mosques. They even have an area where they use to be minority but now are becoming majority. Some of it has to do with them having a lot of kids, and some of it has to do with them winning in propaganda.

They of course are allowed to advocate their faith. Same with Christians and Jews.

This is somewhat of myth that west has propagated that there is no free speech allowed in Iran. It does house arrest certain people if they harm society with speech and advocate harmful actions by society.

And you are diluting what you said. You said they were rewarded by God with Israel while Muslims including Shiites being punished now by God by the events we are facing.

When I say, one of the signs of Day of Judgement is, return of Jews to their homeland, either I am right, or wrong.
I already quoted verse of the Quran, and it is also in the Bible.
So, if you say, my interpretation is wrong, you should show me, what is the true interpretation.

 

[Link]

When I say, one of the signs of Day of Judgement is, return of Jews to their homeland, either I am right, or wrong.
I already quoted verse of the Quran, and it is also in the Bible.
So, if you say, my interpretation is wrong, you should show me, what is the true interpretation.

You should start to solve these issues yourself. You repeat the circumstantial interpretations even when I show you other ones and even though I prove through Quran by Quran, my interpretation is correct, you repeat.

So you should learn to solve them on your own. Hint: last promise is day of judgment, last day, which is not Baha'allah but something else.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Sure I haven't. If you chirping irrational interpretations that are conjecture and even sometimes out right lie about the language, then it's up to you to believe you've won.

I've shown beyond doubt but this is not the issue. The issue is your interpretation of day of judgment has become such that it works against national security of Iran and Shias. This is a case where your religion is Jahr bel soo which Quran forbids.

@Link

Now, you are speaking just like Mullahs and the hardliners. Whatever they don't like, they say it is against national security. It is just because the Mullahs feel threatened. It is against their own security, not against the national security. Lollll

 

[Link]

@Link
Whatever they don't like, they say it is against national security.

Not true as already explained to you. There's all sort of channels and people speaking against Iranian government and the "mullas", and they are allowed.

There's got to be reason why you guys aren't allowed, and I got some of it trickling out of your interpretation of day of judgment with political situation we are in.

I'm going to trust the "mullas" over you. Sorry, you show no sincerity to truth in either Quran or hadiths, but just twisting things way out of their place.