Should Bahaism be allowed to be practiced in Iran.

[Spirit of Light]

I understand what you say. But you are just making an arbitrary conjecture. Forget about agreeing with the OP or not, you have not engaged with the argument. That's the problem. the argument maybe false, but if you don't engage with the argument and give reasons to disagree, you are just making an irrelevant heartfelt opinion. I can see you have a good heart, but your statements are irrelevant.

Hope you try and understand.

I have already answered the question in the OP.
The rest of OP startes arguments are just extremism on steroids, and he can not back up any of his claimes about Baha'i faith, None, zero, nada.

 

[firedragon]

That’s the best advice you can give. To read the Books of Baha’u’llah He wrote Himself in Arabic. You will never get a truly accurate rendering of the Baha’i Faith from Baha’is or enemies of the Baha’i Faith. The just and fair thing is to read the original works of Baha’u’llah Himself then decide.

I suggest you do that. None of you have done that. Just like preaching about all other books like the Tipitaka and the Quran etc etc, none of the Bahai's in this forum I have ever come across have ever in their lives studied any of these books. So take your own advice.

As to an attempted coup. That’s what enemies of the Faith say and so it’s noteworthy that you support a view that cannot be anything but false just like the fabricated hadiths against Muhammad accusing Him of terrible atrocities in order to thwart His growing popularity.

That's just adhominem. Try and study a bit. this has nothing to do with Hadith or Muhammed. So making that kind of red herrings in your preaching effort is quite absurd.

Still, in all fairness, whenever a person on RF has attempted to incite prejudice and hatred and spread false information against Prophet Muhammad and the Quran, I have, and I take Muhammad as my own witness, been the first to uphold and defend His sacredness, truth and integrity.

So if you find pleasure taking aim at us you are most welcome but know that whenever malicious attacks appear against Islam, we Baha’is will do our utmost to defend the truth even though you may detest us. It matters not. All that matters is God knows our hearts and whether we are evil or of good intention. And He is All Knowing.

Just irrelevant. You maybe a nice and kind person. It's good for society. But that's irrelevant to this topic.

Try and study your own religion. And don't make false statements about other religions to preach instead of addressing a particular topic.

Cheers.

 

[firedragon]

I have already answered the question in the OP.
The rest of OP startes arguments are just extremism on steroids, and he can not back up any of his claimes about Baha'i faith, None, zero, nada.

Your prerogative.

Cheers.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Your prerogative.

Cheers.

Lol. Just like Link.

 

[firedragon]

Lol. Just like Link.

I think brother, if you consider that an insult, you are so cheap.

It's better to grow up a little and study the subject you address.

Salamun alailka laka ahi.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think brother, if you consider that an insult, you are so cheap.

It's better to grow up a little and study the subject you address.

Salamun alailka laka ahi.

Why would i try to insult? No need for that kind of things.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Are you aware that Baha'i'ullah prepared in his time for the house of justice to be a part of Baha'i faith but it it was not needed until after Shogi effendi died, since he had no children of his own to be the follower in line.
So in 1963 the house of justice was ready to be the leading autority/guide for Baha'is around the world.
So even the founder of Baha'i faith saw it as a right way

Well done, great research.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Whether true or not, it doesn't matter. I'm dealing with the situation as is. Most Bahai faith people follow this house, and I have to see if their interpretations line up with @InvestigateTruth. If they do, then, 100%, Iran should not allow them as an official religion nor recognize them as such same way US wouldn't allow ISIS interpretation or Al-Qaeda interpretation as a valid way to interpret Islam in US Mosques.

Salam Link

@InvestigateTruth never offered any thing bad or malicious, in any way shape or form

He offered that the Quran foretells of the events that happen today are as a result of our own neglect.

Baha'u'llah has foretold of these events. Baha'u'llah showed Baha'i how not to be part of this conflict, but to be lovers of all humanity.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So there were Baha'i in the administration of the Shah - who was Shiite himself, AFAIK - and therefore the Baha'i faith as a whole is opposed to Shiites?

This makes no sense.

As it is not true. Not sure where this information comming from?

Not sure what sparked this OP.

I can say though, I do understand why Baha'i in Iran have had a very hard and dangerous time, even when all they want is peace and unity.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

You just proved what I said. you are generalising a rebellion against the political leadership of a country, vindication, and turmoil to "Islam".

Super ignorant.

Maybe you should honestly study your own religion a little prior to preaching and proselytisation.

I am aware of the history. I am also aware of the way a Muslim would recount that History, all the while not considering what the Babi and Baha'i have offered.

I will leave it to future generations to research and decide as to who was being honest about those incidents.

Peace be with you Regards Tony

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You have no idea what happens to Shiites per command of US and Zionist, in middle-east or you just pretending or you want me to feed you all the info?

I can’t expect citations from someone who concedes he knows little.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Super ignorant.

Maybe you should honestly study your own religion a little prior to preaching and proselytisation.

Maybe you could offer why the Bab, just like Jesus before Him, had a farce of trial and as such, was then subsequently sentanced to be murdered?

This is really the source of all the conflict of that time.

The history is well recorded. Thanks to the Dawn breakers. My guess is that there is also other documents in Iran that will come to light when justice for Baha'is is granted in that country.

There is many such documents already available, about how they choose to say that all minotities and Baha'is have a fair go, to the international community, yet internally the documents and actions show they are intent on the destruction of a Faith.

Regards Tony

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

1. Their religion is political enemy with Muslims and Shiites.
2. Interpret Quran to support enemies against Shiites and Muslims.
3. Their interpretations are cultish like in hate towards Shiites and Muslims and justify oppression they face as God's punishment
4. Support Israel #1 enemy of Iran.

After hearing @InvestigateTruth teach me this about his religion/cult, I don't believe Iran should allow them to propagate freely.

This would be like if US allows KKK as a religion to propagate or Hitler Nazism under a guise of a religion.

Thanks for letting me know Khomeini (q) and Khamanei (ha) were right about this. I thought it was just propaganda all this time against you guys.

KKK was not a religion. Nazism was not a religion. Comparing apples to oranges is a mug's game. "Do you think we should have more farmers or Jews? Do you think we should have more doctors or blondes?"

Put your prejudices down, why don't you? What you believe is what you believe. What somebody else believes, whether it agrees with you or not, is neither you friend nor your enemy.

And Khomeini and Khamanei were monsters. Even now, Iranians are demonstrating in the streets saying "we don't want an Islamic state!"

Why can't you accept the very simple fact that what you (or anybody else) believes is a private matter -- and really, not even very interesting to the rest of us?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have no idea what happens to Shiites per command of US and Zionist, in middle-east or you just pretending or you want me to feed you all the info?

Do you think that you can find unbiased info? You should know that anything from the likes of Iran is highly suspect, don't you?

 

[firedragon]

I am aware of the history. I am also aware of the way a Muslim would recount that History, all the while not considering what the Babi and Baha'i have offered.

Quoting "Muslims" here, you are practicing bigotry.

Predominantly, Muslims have no clue about the Bahai's or the faith anyway.

Maybe you could offer why the Bab, just like Jesus before Him, had a farce of trial and as such, was then subsequently sentanced to be murdered?

This is really the source of all the conflict of that time.

The history is well recorded. Thanks to the Dawn breakers. My guess is that there is also other documents in Iran that will come to light when justice for Baha'is is granted in that country.

There is many such documents already available, about how they choose to say that all minotities and Baha'is have a fair go, to the international community, yet internally the documents and actions show they are intent on the destruction of a Faith.

Regards Tony

See, dawn seekers is a history retold. I don't trust them. Preachers are not historians and do not follow any historical method whatsoever.

I leaned about your faith from you Tony. You and Adrian. And I know how unaware of your faith you guys are. Trust me, if I ask you a question now, all you will do is reply with just polemics. You won't have a source to clarify, and you can't clarify either. Just telling you since that's the norm.

 

[firedragon]

Why would i try to insult? No need for that kind of things.

That's very good.

Try your best not to make discussion's with statements like "you are just like the other". Make research, and make research points. And when you do research, try to practice a historical or critical method rather than swallowing what you like or what other's like. That's called confirmation bias. And don''t get angry and emotional, rather do research on the points being made and respond to the points rather than ad hominem.

Have a good day.

 

[loverofhumanity]

There is Islam as is and Islam as meant to be. I understand there is a difference. However, you guys give weight to that house of justice. I'll have to see if they interpret the Quran like @InvestigateTruth or not.

However, Khamainei (h) I don't think hates people and wants to forbid speech for sake of it. He is concerned with national security and US spends a lot of money on destroying the government of Iran through many agents (a lot of Iranians). So if Bahais themselves take a stance against Iran and Shiite Muslims, I see why he would forbid it at this time from being accepted as an official religion in Iran as opposed to a movement against Iranian security.

Maybe if interpretations change or Bahais take side of Iran and oppressed and Palestine in clear terms and show they won't work against national security of Iran, then perhaps.

I will research more into this. I'm going by what @InvestigateTruth said and @TransmutingSoul.

Link. Never believe what I or any individual tells you without checking out the facts. Unfortunately, sometimes, instead of sharing humbly my views, I can come across as ‘lecturing’ and we Baha’is are told NOT to lecture others as if we know and they do not. We are supposed to adopt, according to the House of Justice, ‘a humble posture of learning’ but sometimes out of enthusiasm we can be overbearing and even arrogant. But the Baha’i TEACHINGS say we must love and cherish all people and so it is much, much more important to the TEACHINGS to be your friend than to win an argument. If we win your friendship then we truly have been good Baha’is but while we are alienating people we are not living up to our own teachings.

We are encouraged to share our views but to try to avoid offending others. That is where we need to be more wise because our mission is peace with all. You are a good person in my opinion and I always respect you.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Dear Muslim brothers. This is just one of Baha’u’llah’s tributes to Prophet Muhammad in His own Words.

Blessing and peace be upon Him through Whose advent Bathá is wreathed in smiles, and the sweet savours of Whose raiment have shed fragrance upon all mankind—He Who came to protect men from that which would harm them in the world below.

Exalted, immensely exalted is His station above the glorification of all beings and sanctified from the praise of the entire creation.

Through His advent the tabernacle of stability and order was raised throughout the world and the ensign of knowledge hoisted among the nations.

May blessings rest also upon His kindred and His companions through whom the standard of the unity of God and of His singleness was uplifted and the banners of celestial triumph were unfurled. Through them the religion of God was firmly established among His creatures and His Name magnified amidst His servants. I entreat Him—exalted is He—to shield His Faith from the mischief of His enemies who tore away the veils, rent them asunder and finally caused the banner of Islám to be reversed amongst all peoples.(Baha’u’llah)

 

[loverofhumanity]

This is a prayer by Baha’u’llah for Islam. For its protection and progress. A prayer for the followers of one religion to pray for the followers of another religion.

A Baha’i Prayer for Islam

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well done, great research.

Regards Tony

Thank you Tony
I have started to study Baha'i teaching and history to be able to enjoy RF discussion more, and because Baha'i faith gives a lot back to me as a person.