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Should Bahaism be allowed to be practiced in Iran.

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That's very vague. And I don't know what you mean by "you guys".

But in any case, I only asked because you seem to be very taken in by state owned propaganda.

Except most of my info came from intellectuals who go do speeches in Colleges in US and I took most of the info from their explanations of what has been going on. And these speeches were way before the event and were warnings to US that Russia would be forced to do what they are now doing. These guys (intellectuals) were trying to warn US out of their love of their country, they aren't Russian or Iranian.
 

Spirit of Light

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There is Islam as is and Islam as meant to be. I understand there is a difference. However, you guys give weight to that house of justice. I'll have to see if they interpret the Quran like @InvestigateTruth or not.

However, Khamainei (h) I don't think hates people and wants to forbid speech for sake of it. He is concerned with national security and US spends a lot of money on destroying the government of Iran through many agents (a lot of Iranians). So if Bahais themselves take a stance against Iran and Shiite Muslims, I see why he would forbid it at this time from being accepted as an official religion in Iran as opposed to a movement against Iranian security.

Maybe if interpretations change or Bahais take side of Iran and oppressed and Palestine in clear terms and show they won't work against national security of Iran, then perhaps.

I will research more into this. I'm going by what @InvestigateTruth said and @TransmutingSoul.
Are you aware that Baha'i'ullah prepared in his time for the house of justice to be a part of Baha'i faith but it it was not needed until after Shogi effendi died, since he had no children of his own to be the follower in line.
So in 1963 the house of justice was ready to be the leading autority/guide for Baha'is around the world.
So even the founder of Baha'i faith saw it as a right way
 

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Are you aware that Baha'i'ullah prepared in his time for the house of justice to be a part of Baha'i faith but it it was not needed until after Shogi effendi died, since he had no children of his own to be the follower in line.
So in 1963 the house of justice was ready to be the leading autority/guide for Baha'is around the world.
So even the founder of Baha'i faith saw it as a right way

Whether true or not, it doesn't matter. I'm dealing with the situation as is. Most Bahai faith people follow this house, and I have to see if their interpretations line up with @InvestigateTruth. If they do, then, 100%, Iran should not allow them as an official religion nor recognize them as such same way US wouldn't allow ISIS interpretation or Al-Qaeda interpretation as a valid way to interpret Islam in US Mosques.
 

Spirit of Light

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Whether true or not, it doesn't matter. I'm dealing with the situation as is. Most Bahai faith people follow this house, and I have to see if their interpretations line up with @InvestigateTruth. If they do, then, 100%, Iran should not allow them as an official religion nor recognize them as such same way US wouldn't allow ISIS interpretation or Al-Qaeda interpretation as a valid way to interpret Islam in US Mosques.
Should the world allow Shiite in to their countries? On basis of your hostility toward other people and faiths i say a clear NO
 

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If in US, a false Prophet comes teaching his followers to destroy US with nukes for example, you would not allow this. (not saying this is similar to Bahai faith)

I'm brining an extreme example to show, "religion" is not enough to justify "jahr bel soo" "harmful public speech". Quran forbids the latter and yes emphasize religion is to be free and people to choose, but if people begin to interpret Quran to justify killing civilians of other religions like ISIS did, they should be stopped. Simply saying it's a valid interpretation and freedom of speech and religion won't do.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

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1. Their religion is political enemy with Muslims and Shiites.
2. Interpret Quran to support enemies against Shiites and Muslims.
3. Their interpretations are cultish like in hate towards Shiites and Muslims and justify oppression they face as God's punishment
4. Support Israel #1 enemy of Iran.

After hearing @InvestigateTruth teach me this about his religion/cult, I don't believe Iran should allow them to propagate freely.

This would be like if US allows KKK as a religion to propagate or Hitler Nazism under a guise of a religion.

Thanks for letting me know Khomeini (q) and Khamanei (ha) were right about this. I thought it was just propaganda all this time against you guys.
Aren’t you in favor of violence towards enemies?
 

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Should the world allow Shiite in to their countries? On basis of your hostility toward other people and faiths i say a clear NO
Dude, US and it's allies already taken a stance that Shiites should not be allowed to teach or practice public their faith. They oppress already.

We don't care for your approval.

We will stop Saudi Arabia, Zionist, and unholy US trinity plans, it's as Nabi Mohammad (s) said to Salman Farsi (r), "By Allah, then let Iblis and his armies come".

We brace for impact, and it's as God taunts "if you have a plan, then plan..." go ahead, do your best to put out God's light.

We aren't gonna beg the oppressors for mercy nor expect good from Gog and Magog oligarchs nor any mercy from them or their mind controlled populations who blindly and heedlessly follow them.

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Russia on the other hand, are blessed Christians and ally to us, because they actually honor Jesus (a) and his teachings.
 
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Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Dude, US and it's allies already taken a stance that Shiites should not be allowed to teach or practice public their faith. They oppress already.

We don't care for your approval.

We will stop Saudi Arabia, Zionist, and unholy US trinity plans, it's as Nabi Mohammad (s) said to Salman Farsi (r), "By Allah, then let Iblis and his armies come".

We brace for impact, and it's as God taunts "if you have a plan, then plan..." go ahead, do your best to put out God's light.

We aren't gonna beg the oppressors for mercy nor expect good from Gog and Magog oligarchs nor any mercy from them or their mind controlled populations who blindly and heedlessly follow them.

You guys are evil by nature "alas, they are the mischief makers, but they don't perceive".

Russia on the other hand, are blessed Christians and ally to us, because they actually honor Jesus (a) and his teachings.
DUDE...You are the one putting God's light out by your evil tongue and speech (just saying)
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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They committed crimes and killing of Shiites under Shah and worked with the Shah against Shiites. This was primary reason they weren't accepted I thought, but realize now their religion teaches them to justify oppression of believers including supporting Zionism and seeing Shiites and Muslims suffer as God's punishment.
So there were Baha'i in the administration of the Shah - who was Shiite himself, AFAIK - and therefore the Baha'i faith as a whole is opposed to Shiites?

This makes no sense.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

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Salam

Thank you for your advice brother. I should do as you said if I want to know more. But to be honest, lost interest, and going to delegate the issue to people aware of the security of the country and Bahai faith more then me, I going to trust Khamanei (h) and the believers with him.
I live in the US. I lost my faith that my government has accurate views regarding threats.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Didn't know this. Thought they weren't allowed to propagate like they did in the past. However, another example can be posed. Should Al-Qaeda interpretation of Islam and Quran be allowed to be propagated in US and in Mosques in US? Of course, their interpretation of Quran if promotes killing of civilians in US, you would not allow it.
I dislike the US hypocrisy of allowing Christian terrorists but not Muslim ones.
 

firedragon

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It is strange that other than Baha's claim to know Baha'i faith better than them selves, it is puzzeling how people thinking.

Personally i do not know deep in to Baha'i teaching, nor do i know how everything started with the Bab and Baha'i'ullah.
What i have spoken from in this thread is through discussion with the exact same followers as OP starter did, and I have a totally different view of Baha'i than him and other critiques of this faith.

Do I say Baha'i are without faults or misunderstandings? Far from it, there will always be different views even within the same religion.

But as the OP asked, should Baha'i faith be allowed in Iran too, the clear answer to that is yes of course.

I understand what you say. But you are just making an arbitrary conjecture. Forget about agreeing with the OP or not, you have not engaged with the argument. That's the problem. the argument maybe false, but if you don't engage with the argument and give reasons to disagree, you are just making an irrelevant heartfelt opinion. I can see you have a good heart, but your statements are irrelevant.

Hope you try and understand.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

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You think Russia is in the wrong, so you know nothing about national security of nations, and US Agenda to overthrow governments and replace them with US puppets.
That’s fair and our hubris will be our undoing but that doesn’t mean Putin should be a puppeteer either.
 

firedragon

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The time of the Bab was indeed great turmoil, but the turmoil was instigated by Islam against the Bab and His followers.

You just proved what I said. you are generalising a rebellion against the political leadership of a country, vindication, and turmoil to "Islam".

Super ignorant.

Maybe you should honestly study your own religion a little prior to preaching and proselytisation.
 
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