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Should Bahaism be allowed to be practiced in Iran.

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Link. I can tell you one thing.

Never ever in your entire life should you learn about Bahai'sm from the Bahai's in this forum. They can take this as derogatory if anyone pleases but Bahai's in this forum are not educated in the Bahai faith. If you want to understand this religion, stop calling it a cult, and read their books. You know arabic. So the most important books in their faith are written in Arabic. Not in Parsi. Take them and read.

You will understand much more. Also you should remember that their faith was born off an attempted coup against the Iranian government. Their whole political background stems from spewing propaganda against the Iranian regime. I don't know if the regimes are super holy or not and that's not relevant to me, but the Shirazi movement was an attempted coup against the regime. It was mitigated brutally. So it's natural for the Bahai's to still talk about the same sentiments blaming the Iranian government as "Muslims" who were violent. There are enough and more history books on the installation of the Bahai movement. Take and read brotherman.

Peace.

That’s the best advice you can give. To read the Books of Baha’u’llah He wrote Himself in Arabic. You will never get a truly accurate rendering of the Baha’i Faith from Baha’is or enemies of the Baha’i Faith. The just and fair thing is to read the original works of Baha’u’llah Himself then decide.

As to an attempted coup. That’s what enemies of the Faith say and so it’s noteworthy that you support a view that cannot be anything but false just like the fabricated hadiths against Muhammad accusing Him of terrible atrocities in order to thwart His growing popularity.

Still, in all fairness, whenever a person on RF has attempted to incite prejudice and hatred and spread false information against Prophet Muhammad and the Quran, I have, and I take Muhammad as my own witness, been the first to uphold and defend His sacredness, truth and integrity.

So if you find pleasure taking aim at us you are most welcome but know that whenever malicious attacks appear against Islam, we Baha’is will do our utmost to defend the truth even though you may detest us. It matters not. All that matters is God knows our hearts and whether we are evil or of good intention. And He is All Knowing.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't mind hate. That's not the issue. I mind justifying oppression and working against national security of Iran and justifying oppression by oppressors by Quran and supporting Zionism through a messed up interpretation of Quran.

This is why it's national security. A Christian thinks we go to hell for not accepting trinity or Christ or whatever, we allow that to be practiced. We even have Christian delegates or representatives in Parliament as does other religions in Iran.

However, when you mix events (current) with interpretation that justifying harming national security and working against the oppressed people and giving strength and righteousness to oppressors hands against you, how can that be allowed. It's Jahr bel soo which Quran forbids and says doesn't allow that type speech to spoken in public.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do you by any chance only get your intel from iranian and russian state owned media channels?
It sounds like it.

So you guys are the only news now? Only source of info? But no, is the answer, documentaries made in US were also taken down by youtube and I got most of the info from intellectuals that are famous in US but not standards news.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Yet, according to you guys, Zionism is a promise and reward to Jews in Quran, per @InvestigateTruth and @TransmutingSoul supported that interpretation.

What you guys really teach I don't care anymore. You twist everything however you wish so much so that you take side of oppressors over oppressed. So Khamanei (h), I gonna trust.


...What you guys really teach I don't care anymore....


:rolleyes:

The "love" is just flowing from my screen...

Sheesh
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
...What you guys really teach I don't care anymore....


:rolleyes:

The "love" is just flowing from my screen...

Sheesh

Of course, do you pay attention to KKK racist philosophy and research it and hear it all day? When people justify oppression at the end of Colonialism and oppressors, yeah, I Don't care anymore.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I use to think the same till @InvestigateTruth and @TransmutingSoul manifested that to me.

Link. The only truly accurate and authoritative information about the Baha’i viewpoints comes from the Writings of Baha’u’llah not individuals. We can have an opinion but we cannot say it is true unless it is written by Baha’u’llah Himself. So I would disregard any comment by myself or another Baha’i that cannot be supported by the Written Texts.
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
1. Their religion is political enemy with Muslims and Shiites.
2. Interpret Quran to support enemies against Shiites and Muslims.
3. Their interpretations are cultish like in hate towards Shiites and Muslims and justify oppression they face as God's punishment
4. Support Israel #1 enemy of Iran.

After hearing @InvestigateTruth teach me this about his religion/cult, I don't believe Iran should allow them to propagate freely.

This would be like if US allows KKK as a religion to propagate or Hitler Nazism under a guise of a religion.

Thanks for letting me know Khomeini (q) and Khamanei (ha) were right about this. I thought it was just propaganda all this time against you guys.
LINK, You should quote me in your OP
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Not all versions, for example, not ISIS or Al-Qaeda versions. The issue is Bahai follow that house of justice thingy. So they have a monolithic approach.

To my knowledge, not a single "version" of islam is banished.

Plots to murder and hate speech intended to inspire/motivate violence are illegal yes.
Whether these plots are made in mosques, synagogues, private basements, etc.

There are no laws against any religions.
There are laws against terrorism, murder, crime,... and the organizing and plotting of such, regardless of the context they happen in.

To put it in terms you understand: you are allowed the be the biggest racist imaginable. But you are NOT allowed to refuse serving someone because their skin is a little darker.

The beliefs aren't banned or made illegal.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What I find interesting is that the Holy books contain many warnings, yet the believers never think those warnings may be applicable to their own stance.

If shown otherwise, they take it as an attack on their faith and lash out. In doing so they become the embodiment of what the Holy Book warns against, all the while offering they do it for God.

I see a person of faith, needs to look at self before condemning any others and no person can cast the first stone, so condemnation is not for humans, it is for God alone.

Regards Tony
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Link. The only truly accurate and authoritative information about the Baha’i viewpoints comes from the Writings of Baha’u’llah not individuals. We can have an opinion but we cannot say it is true unless it is written by Baha’u’llah Himself. So I would disregard any comment by myself or another Baha’i that cannot be supported by the Written Texts.

There is Islam as is and Islam as meant to be. I understand there is a difference. However, you guys give weight to that house of justice. I'll have to see if they interpret the Quran like @InvestigateTruth or not.

However, Khamainei (h) I don't think hates people and wants to forbid speech for sake of it. He is concerned with national security and US spends a lot of money on destroying the government of Iran through many agents (a lot of Iranians). So if Bahais themselves take a stance against Iran and Shiite Muslims, I see why he would forbid it at this time from being accepted as an official religion in Iran as opposed to a movement against Iranian security.

Maybe if interpretations change or Bahais take side of Iran and oppressed and Palestine in clear terms and show they won't work against national security of Iran, then perhaps.

I will research more into this. I'm going by what @InvestigateTruth said and @TransmutingSoul.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
1. Their religion is political enemy with Muslims and Shiites.
2. Interpret Quran to support enemies against Shiites and Muslims.
3. Their interpretations are cultish like in hate towards Shiites and Muslims and justify oppression they face as God's punishment
4. Support Israel #1 enemy of Iran.

After hearing @InvestigateTruth teach me this about his religion/cult, I don't believe Iran should allow them to propagate freely.

This would be like if US allows KKK as a religion to propagate or Hitler Nazism under a guise of a religion.

Thanks for letting me know Khomeini (q) and Khamanei (ha) were right about this. I thought it was just propaganda all this time against you guys.
First off the Bahai faith is less of a cult than your faith.

If you think they are a cult then you are shouting that you are in one too.

Are you sure that you want to do that?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
So you guys are the only news now? Only source of info? But no, is the answer, documentaries made in US were also taken down by youtube and I got most of the info from intellectuals that are famous in US but not standards news.

That's very vague. And I don't know what you mean by "you guys".

But in any case, I only asked because you seem to be very taken in by state owned propaganda.
 
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