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Should Bahaism be allowed to be practiced in Iran.

Link

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Link. I can tell you one thing.

Never ever in your entire life should you learn about Bahai'sm from the Bahai's in this forum. They can take this as derogatory if anyone pleases but Bahai's in this forum are not educated in the Bahai faith. If you want to understand this religion, stop calling it a cult, and read their books. You know arabic. So the most important books in their faith are written in Arabic. Not in Parsi. Take them and read.

You will understand much more. Also you should remember that their faith was born off an attempted coup against the Iranian government. Their whole political background stems from spewing propaganda against the Iranian regime. I don't know if the regimes are super holy or not and that's not relevant to me, but the Shirazi movement was an attempted coup against the regime. It was mitigated brutally. So it's natural for the Bahai's to still talk about the same sentiments blaming the Iranian government as "Muslims" who were violent. There are enough and more history books on the installation of the Bahai movement. Take and read brotherman.

Peace.

Salam

Thank you for your advice brother. I should do as you said if I want to know more. But to be honest, lost interest, and going to delegate the issue to people aware of the security of the country and Bahai faith more then me, I going to trust Khamanei (h) and the believers with him.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Salam

Thank you for your advice brother. I should do as you said if I want to know more. But to be honest, lost interest, and going to delegate the issue to people aware of the security of the country and Bahai faith more then me, I going to trust Khamanei (h) and the believers with him.

Sure brother. I understand.
 

Link

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You keep saying this. But you know that the KKK is allowed in the US, right?
Didn't know this. Thought they weren't allowed to propagate like they did in the past. However, another example can be posed. Should Al-Qaeda interpretation of Islam and Quran be allowed to be propagated in US and in Mosques in US? Of course, their interpretation of Quran if promotes killing of civilians in US, you would not allow it. Bahai faith justifies sanctions we face as God's punishment. Any suffering as God's punishment. Zionist as a reward from God and a promise in Quran to Jewish people. Do you not see how this is a threat to national security of Iran to allow people with these thoughts to do as they please? They worked under Shah against Shiites, and killed innocents, but that's the past. But what is shown they continuously believe in working against Iran and Shiites, so how can they be allowed?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Brother. The Bahai faith was non-existent when the true inventor of the faith lived in Iran. Shirazi and his movement was a rebellion against the then government. Though their faith is predominantly based on Shii Imami foundation, they were rebels. The current Bahai's, especially in this very forum are absolutely ignorant of their own faith. Sorry but that's the truth.

It's best not speak from hearsay.
It is strange that other than Baha's claim to know Baha'i faith better than them selves, it is puzzeling how people thinking.

Personally i do not know deep in to Baha'i teaching, nor do i know how everything started with the Bab and Baha'i'ullah.
What i have spoken from in this thread is through discussion with the exact same followers as OP starter did, and I have a totally different view of Baha'i than him and other critiques of this faith.

Do I say Baha'i are without faults or misunderstandings? Far from it, there will always be different views even within the same religion.

But as the OP asked, should Baha'i faith be allowed in Iran too, the clear answer to that is yes of course.
 

Link

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It is strange that other than Baha's claim to know Baha'i faith better than them selves, it is puzzeling how people thinking.

Personally i do not know deep in to Baha'i teaching, nor do i know how everything started with the Bab and Baha'i'ullah.
What i have spoken from in this thread is through discussion with the exact same followers as OP starter did, and I have a totally different view of Baha'i than him and other critiques of this faith.

Do I say Baha'i are without faults or misunderstandings? Far from it, there will always be different views even within the same religion.

But as the OP asked, should Baha'i faith be allowed in Iran too, the clear answer to that is yes of course.

You think Russia is in the wrong, so you know nothing about national security of nations, and US Agenda to overthrow governments and replace them with US puppets.

Slogans are important, but there is always exceptions. Freedom of religion important, but Al-Qaeda should not be able to interpret Quran in Mosques in US for example with their messed up interpretation. There is always exceptions for extreme or harmful examples. Same with freedom of speech. Western limits it a lot and not everything is allowed to be said.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Meh, they hide their hate against us, while I'm honest about hating oppressors. The point is they justify Quran to justify oppressed state of people. This is cultish and should not be allowed, because, will work with oppressors in this case against their country. It's against national security of the country of Iran to allow them to do what they please in their country.

Baha'ism, I think, actually stems from Islam.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
Didn't know this. Thought they weren't allowed to propagate like they did in the past. However, another example can be posed. Should Al-Qaeda interpretation of Islam and Quran be allowed to be propagated in US and in Mosques in US? Of course, their interpretation of Quran if promotes killing of civilians in US, you would not allow it.
Are you under the impression that you are asking a different question? The Klan has done far more damage to the citizenry, culture, and legal system of the US than Al Queda ever has. Including 9/11. The primary difference is that the Klan is white and Christian.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
You think Russia is in the wrong, so you know nothing about national security of nations, and US Agenda to overthrow governments and replace them with US puppets.

Slogans are important, but there is always exceptions. Freedom of religion important, but Al-Qaeda should not be able to interpret Quran in Mosques in US for example with their messed up interpretation. There is always exceptions for extreme or harmful examples. Same with freedom of speech. Western limits it a lot and not everything is allowed to be said.
My view is that the war Russia started against Ukraine is 100% Russia's and Putin's fault yes, and the countries who support Ukraine are in 100% their right to do so, Russia actually have become an European terror state
 

Link

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Premium Member
Are you under the impression that you are asking a different question? The Klan has done far more damage to the citizenry, culture, and legal system of the US than Al Queda ever has. Including 9/11. The primary difference is that the Klan is white and Christian.

So it's tactical to not allow Al-Qaeda and ISIS to propagate in Mosques. But for their own interest, they allow KKK though might be hypocritical. The point is US Doesn't allow all out freedom of speech or freedom of interpretations of religion either, which means "freedom of religion" has limits and exceptions.
 

Link

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My view is that the war Russia started against Ukraine is 100% Russia's and Putin's fault yes, and the countries who support Ukraine are in 100% their right to do so, Russia actually have become an European terror state

Yeah, which shows, you are biased and don't seek truth.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
1. Their religion is political enemy with Muslims and Shiites.
2. Interpret Quran to support enemies against Shiites and Muslims.
3. Their interpretations are cultish like in hate towards Shiites and Muslims and justify oppression they face as God's punishment
4. Support Israel #1 enemy of Iran.

After hearing @InvestigateTruth teach me this about his religion/cult, I don't believe Iran should allow them to propagate freely.

This would be like if US allows KKK as a religion to propagate or Hitler Nazism under a guise of a religion.

Thanks for letting me know Khomeini (q) and Khamanei (ha) were right about this. I thought it was just propaganda all this time against you guys.

Link just because we have different understandings does that really warrant such persecution? You’re entitled to your viewpoint but our beliefs say that Muhammad was a true Prophet and the Quran is the Word of God and we also believe that Shiah is the true sect. So in my humble opinion that makes us brothers not enemies.
 

Link

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Link just because we have different understandings does that really warrant such persecution? You’re entitled to your viewpoint but our beliefs say that Muhammad was a true Prophet and the Quran is the Word of God and we also believe that Shiah is the true sect. So in my humble opinion that makes us brothers not enemies.

It should have been brotherhood like Muslims wanting Christians to be victorious in Surah Rome, but the opposite way has been taken by Bahais with their interpretation of Quran, Islam, hadiths, and the events occurring (political events included).
 

Link

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Premium Member
When you justify oppression Palestinians faced with a messed up interpretation (they are promised this in Quran) and justify our oppressed state and the "tribulations of our time" (Du'a arifni nafsika long version) which prayers from Ahlulbayt (a) to complain to God about, to be all punishment from God, yes, your interpretation is not going to be allowed to propagated under guise of freedom of religion and make agents working against Iran all over the place.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
They committed crimes and killing of Shiites under Shah and worked with the Shah against Shiites. This was primary reason they weren't accepted I thought, but realize now their religion teaches them to justify oppression of believers including supporting Zionism and seeing Shiites and Muslims suffer as God's punishment.

Link we don’t support Israel or any political entity, we support God. We are a religion that accepts there is truth in all religions. Our world centre is in Israel because Baha’u’llah was exiled there by the Ottoman Empire and died there. So because His shrine is there that is our place of pilgrimage. Nothing to do with politics.
 

Link

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Link we don’t support Israel or any political entity, we support God. We are a religion that accepts there is truth in all religions. Our world centre is in Israel because Baha’u’llah was exiled there by the Ottoman Empire and died there. So because His shrine is there that is our place of pilgrimage. Nothing to do with politics.

Yet, according to you guys, Zionism is a promise and reward to Jews in Quran, per @InvestigateTruth and @TransmutingSoul supported that interpretation.

What you guys really teach I don't care anymore. You twist everything however you wish so much so that you take side of oppressors over oppressed. So Khamanei (h), I gonna trust.
 
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