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4 killed in Tulsa Hospital Shooting!

Should retail sales of semi-auto weapons be banned?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 12 52.2%
  • No,

    Votes: 8 34.8%
  • Maybe/Unsure,

    Votes: 3 13.0%

  • Total voters
    23

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I don't see headlines of 19 children slaughtered by a peice of meat. But yes ircseems some meats can cause cancers when eaten often over long periods. So can some non meat foods

That too is my point, no one needs a semi automatic weapon, but it's cool to have one.

Well, in certain parts of the world where there is a long response time for police, you might need a semi automatic weapon.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Four people, including two doctors, were massacred on Wednesday at a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma, The mass shooter committed murder/suicide.

From a WaPo article:

"The gunman who killed four people at a Tulsa hospital on Wednesday blamed a doctor at the facility for ongoing pain after back surgery and vowed to kill him and anyone who got in his way, police said Thursday. Tulsa Police Chief Wendell Franklin told reporters that Michael Louis bought an AR-15-style weapon about an hour before the attack, killing St. Francis Hospital doctors Preston Phillips and Stephanie Husen. Two other victims were identified as William Love, a patient, and Amanda Glenn, a receptionist."

Ban assault weapons? Please allow me to speak for the Republicans. This isn't a gun problem. It's a dorsal (back) health issue, and the solution is to arm all of the nurses and limit ingress into and egress out of hospitals to one door for visitors, staff, ambulances, and deliveries such as clean linens, not limiting easy access of military weapons to these well-regulated militias.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
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Heyo

Veteran Member
Tulsa Police Chief Wendell Franklin told reporters that [the perpetrator] bought an AR-15-style weapon
Many newspapers and other media have a policy to not publish the names of shooters. WaPo obviously not. Can we make it a RF policy to edit out names from media who don't follow the code? Not as a rule but as a suggestion?
 

Bathos Logos

Active Member
Nobody really needs to eat meat either.
Entirely true. Too bad so many people don't realize it, or are too obstinate to leave meat behind, or look at it as some infringement on their "rights" to even suggest that not eating so much meat might actually be good for them, and helps our world in a lot of other ways as well. I mean... you don't even have to literally request/ask that someone stop eating meat to get a nearly irrational response about how wrong it is to curtail people's rights in such a way. All you have to do is state the facts and meat-eaters fly off the handle. Kind of a lot like the gun-rights advocates. So good on you for making the entirely applicable analogy.
 

Suave

Simulated character
Many newspapers and other media have a policy to not publish the names of shooters. WaPo obviously not. Can we make it a RF policy to edit out names from media who don't follow the code? Not as a rule but as a suggestion?
N
But an AR-15 is not a pistol. So by your choice of source, you haven't banned AR-15s.
So you want to ban both pistols, rifles and shotguns, which are semi-automatic.
The problem doesn't stop there. For certain weapons you can 3D print a trigger part that allows for full automatic fire. I.e. you buy a legal non-semi- or non-fully automatic weapon and replace the trigger part.
So now you have to build all weapons so that is not possible. That might be feasible, but that can effect the maintenance and durability of such a gun.

I really wish you research what is at play, before you claim to have solved a problem.

Edit. I was in part wrong, but the point stands. You can fairly easily modify a gun to fire differently.
It is a bit hard to do with a true single shot weapon, but not impossible.

My bad, I should have quoted Wikipedia regarding semi-auto firearms instead of me quoting Wikipedia regarding semi-auto pistols.
 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Four people, including two doctors, were massacred on Wednesday at a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma, The mass shooter committed murder/suicide.

Tulsa shooting: Four dead, multiple injured in "catastrophic scene" at Saint Francis Hospital - CBS New

This mass shooting occurred after 10 were massacred in the racist mass shooting at a store in Buffalo, New York last month,; and 21 were slaughtered, including 19 children, (edit) *12 days ago* at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, These mass shootings occurred shortly after a mass shooter bought a semi-auto AR-15 rifle to perpetrate their gun massacres, I'd like a ban on the manufacturing of semi-auto weapons for retail as well as a ban on semi-auto weapons imported for private retail in the U.S., this gun control measure prohibiting newly created semi-auto weapons may have prevented the gun massacres that recently occurred in Buffalo, New York and Uvalde, Texas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma. Hopefully, getting rid of newly created semi-auto weapons will prevent would-be mass shooters from slaughtering several people within a matter of minutes,

Even if semi-automatic weapons are banned, I can see potential for modifications that are technically not semi-automatic, but would still permit rapid fire. For example, in the Westerns, cowboys can get off quite a few rounds with their lever-action Winchester rifles.

I think the only effective solution is to require 6 months of psychotherapy prior to gun ownership and an annual psychological assessment during every year of gun ownership.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Why would anyone other than military need semi automatic weapons?

I voted yes
As we see in Ukraine, one never knows when
circumstances might turn one into a soldier.
Also, for self defense, a semi-auto handgun
is a more natural pointer than a revolver.
And it has a slimmer profile, which is useful
for concealment.
But I prefer single shot rifles above all others.
(Less monkey motion. More elegant &
conducive to accuracy.)
 

Suave

Simulated character
Even if semi-automatic weapons are banned, I can see potential for modifications that are technically not semi-automatic, but would still permit rapid fire. For example, in the Westerns, cowboys can get off quite a few rounds with their lever-action Winchester rifles.

I think the only effective solution is to require 6 months of psychotherapy prior to gun ownership and an annual psychological assessment during every year of gun ownership.
If I were a criminally minded person, I could very well make a 3-d printed semi-auto firearm, but I doubt most people have the means or motivation to manufacture a 3-D printed semi-auto firearm,

 

MikeF

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If I were a criminally minded person, I could very well make a 3-d printed semi-auto firearm, but I doubt most people have the means or motivation to manufacture a 3-D printed semi-auto firearm,

I'm thinking along the lines of manufacturers modifying their designs to allow quick reload that is not semi-automatic. For example, instead of using discharge gas to automatically reload, a CO2 cartridge could be used with a button separate from trigger is used to reload. Still have to manually press a button to reload, but it still as easy as pressing a button. And of course lever-action reload.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
Four people, including two doctors, were massacred on Wednesday at a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma, The mass shooter committed murder/suicide.

Tulsa shooting: Four dead, multiple injured in "catastrophic scene" at Saint Francis Hospital - CBS New

This mass shooting occurred after 10 were massacred in the racist mass shooting at a store in Buffalo, New York last month,; and 21 were slaughtered, including 19 children, (edit) *12 days ago* at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, These mass shootings occurred shortly after a mass shooter bought a semi-auto AR-15 rifle to perpetrate their gun massacres, I'd like a ban on the manufacturing of semi-auto weapons for retail as well as a ban on semi-auto weapons imported for private retail in the U.S., this gun control measure prohibiting newly created semi-auto weapons may have prevented the gun massacres that recently occurred in Buffalo, New York and Uvalde, Texas, and Tulsa, Oklahoma. Hopefully, getting rid of newly created semi-auto weapons will prevent would-be mass shooters from slaughtering several people within a matter of minutes,
How are you going to get rid of these weapons?
 

Suave

Simulated character
How are you going to get rid of these weapons?
I figure there are too many semi-auto weapons to be confiscated and melted down. I'd like extensive background checks of prospective semi auto firearm purchasers, Those found to be violent criminals or mentally deranged, would be legally prohibited from possessing any firearms. I'd also want a ban on the manufacturing or imports of semi-auto weapons, save those made strictly for the military or law enforcement,
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
As we see in Ukraine, one never knows when
circumstances might turn one into a soldier.
Also, for self defense, a semi-auto handgun
is a more natural pointer than a revolver.
And it has a slimmer profile, which is useful
for concealment.

But I prefer single shot rifles above all others.
(Less monkey motion. More elegant &
conducive to accuracy
.)

And apparently great for killing children and doctors.

For target shooting of course...
 
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