Non Christians: if the Christian God is real...

[Nakosis]

...but we don't know if we can deal with our crises. What if that person is a God send in time of need?

How would we know if we don't try?

I was like that you know. I realized I had a selfish pride. I wanted to be independent and deal with my own problems, by myself, without anyone's help.
I changed... to some degree. Still have a ways to go.

I don't know if it is pride. I see it as not leaving a mess for someone else to clean up after me.

 

[Bird123]

I’m asking non Christians this hypothetical. If the Christian God was undoubtedly real, would you become a Christian? Let’s say the Christian God proved Himself to you, He does whatever He has to to make you believe. Maybe the sky was ripped open in front of you and Jesus Christ poked His head out and said “hey”.
I saw someone say that “even if he was real, he wouldn’t meet my moral standards.” Is this true for you? The God of the Bible does some pretty gnarly stuff. And He commanded the Israelites to do some gnarly stuff with His law.
For me, I think I would serve Him. I would suspend my understanding of moral standards I suppose. Allow myself to know that I have a subjective perspective. What about you though? Even if He is real, would you want to be His follower?
I am unsure of my position. Jehovah is mighty but arguably immoral from our human perspective. Jesus Christ is great though, died for us and stuff.

If the Christian God was really God, I would put him at the top of my list of souls to Help. Clearly, the Christian God has many problems. I would guide that god to a Higher Level and Greater Intelligence. I would know I would have that god at least headed in the right direction when he stopped frying his kids. Still, there is much he could learn beyond that.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Viker]

I believe that Jehovah is real, already. It doesn't change my mind. I've always been henotheistic and believed there are other ships in the sea. My experience with him was never positive. And I don't believe most the claims from his followers.

 

[firedragon]

I’m asking non Christians this hypothetical. If the Christian God was undoubtedly real, would you become a Christian? Let’s say the Christian God proved Himself to you, He does whatever He has to to make you believe. Maybe the sky was ripped open in front of you and Jesus Christ poked His head out and said “hey”.
I saw someone say that “even if he was real, he wouldn’t meet my moral standards.” Is this true for you? The God of the Bible does some pretty gnarly stuff. And He commanded the Israelites to do some gnarly stuff with His law.
For me, I think I would serve Him. I would suspend my understanding of moral standards I suppose. Allow myself to know that I have a subjective perspective. What about you though? Even if He is real, would you want to be His follower?
I am unsure of my position. Jehovah is mighty but arguably immoral from our human perspective. Jesus Christ is great though, died for us and stuff.

When you say "Christian God" what do you mean? The trinity? That means one ousia in three persons and all three are one? Do you mean Jesus was generated from the father but eternally existed with God and the Holy Spirit? Or the God who's son was generated later somewhere between God's eternal existence and creation? Or is it the God who is the only God who is just one? Or is it the God who has a son but the son is only a son of God but not God himself?

Which one do you mean when you say Christian God? When you say God of the Bible, do you mean the Jewish concept of Hashem or the God of the Athanasian creed? They are poles apart. Which one? Or, do you have another concept of the "Christian God" like the two Gods Marcion conceptualised to avoid the contradiction?

What is your conception of the Christian God? Could you define directly and specifically?

 

[Truthseeker]

Yes, that is the most reliable history of the evolution of Yahweh. Even the Genesis accounts of creation illustrate a multiple God scenario. The two creation accounts were explained as a compromise of two different gods having their own accounts of creation, so the Hebrews included both versions. Over time this got whittled down to "one true God".

There were two different writers in Genesis, I understand, one from Israel, one from Judah who had different accounts and different names of God who were combined later into one story.

 

[nPeace]

How would we know if we don't try?

What if you haven't been successful for the last two decades?

I don't know if it is pride. I see it as not leaving a mess for someone else to clean up after me.

What if it's not your mess, but one someone else caused for you?

 

[Ella S.]

Yes, I would. I would know that I was designed with a specific purpose in mind, and I would be obligated to fulfill that purpose. Even outside of the potential existence of Heaven and Hell, which is not stated to be proven in the OP, I would have reason to obey the Christian God since He is stated to be the source of morality and the divine judge.

Any ethical qualms I have about Him would therefore be proven to be wrong by His existence.

 

[Truthseeker]

Yes. Of course.


That would not be relevant. If the Christian God proved Himself (or Themselves) to me, then I would assume that my morality is defective.

Ciao

- viole

Well, you would have to ponder what that morality really is for yourself, of course.

 

[Trailblazer]

But don't you realize how unbelievably hard it would be to prove and demonstrate that? That kind of God wouldn't be a voice in my head or a message from the sky; He will literally have to transport me to different dimensions and realities to prove that kind of thing. Will this "God of The Omniverse" ever do that? No. Therefore, The Omniverse is God, and there is no "God of The Omniverse".

It would be impossible for humans to prove and demonstrate that. God would be the only one who could demonstrate it to you. I believe it will be demonstrated to some of us after we die and go to the spiritual world, which is the World of Lights.

You said: Therefore, The Omniverse is God, and there is no "God of The Omniverse"
I don't understand why you think that. Are you saying that because it cannot be proven by humans that God is x, God cannot be x?

 

[Truthseeker]

Died for us to save us from Jehovah, though. It's a weird dynamic, and it gets weirder depending on your take on the Trinity. Some takes end up in a very weird, abusive "I hurt myself to show you I love you" place.

I believe in God and that He is good and don't believe in any of that "original sin" or Jesus saving us from that stuff. The Bible was written by humans, not divine people, and is confusing, especially in the Old Testament. What is real, what is allegorical, what is just plain wrong?

 

[Nakosis]

What if you haven't been successful for the last two decades?

I'd want someone who has been successful to show me how. Not do it for me.

I've always thought Jesus worked better as the example, not the substitute.

What if it's not your mess, but one someone else caused for you?

Well,
A, determine if I need to clean it up. If not, just walk away.
and, or,
B, Find some way to prevent whoever made the mess for me from making it again in the future.

 

[viole]

Well, you would have to ponder what that morality really is for yourself, of course.

Which I do. Since so called metaphysical givers thereof have, at the time of this post, the same evidence as Pinocchio.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Truthseeker]

From that perspective, I would not become a Christian because the theological doctrine of what it means to be a Christian is not something I accept. Being a follower of the Christ on the other hand is entirely different.

It would depend on what Christian, right? There are so many versions.

 

[Truthseeker]

If God revealed Himself to you, you would know God. And as far as I know, knowing God turns you into a prophet, not a Christian..

It is limited how much we know about God. We know more about what God is not than what He is.

 

[viole]

Thanks. I appreciate that honest answer.

You are welcome. I find it not so difficult to be honest in this area. It would be like being honest when I'm saying that kids should not be killed. Who would be dishonest in that area?

So you don't agree with killing, or just killing women, children, the elderly, pets?

In general no. I am aware that humans do that, but I would be really shocked if God would not be better than Hitler, Stalin and the like.

Wait. We are supposed to have inherited His morality. Is that why we also like to kill the way He does?

Ciao

-viole

 

[Truthseeker]

Every Universe, Multiverse, Metaverse, Xenoverse, and Hyperverse combined.



Doesn't everything?



Because The Omniverse contains, in my opinion, EVERYTHING. The only way God could be God if God was the God of The Omniverse, not just a local planet, galaxy or even Universe. It would have to effectively demonstrate that it isn't a local God but a God for everything. Otherwise, He is just a deity I don't need to be bothered with.

What you call Omniverse, I call God. At least I think so.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I believe in God and that He is good and don't believe in any of that "original sin" or Jesus saving us from that stuff.

And I don't believe in God at all, but the OP asked us to set aside our personal beliefs and consider what we'd think and do if Christianity were true.

The Bible was written by humans, not divine people, and is confusing, especially in the Old Testament. What is real, what is allegorical, what is just plain wrong?

Obviously, anything that seems absurd to a moder reader when taken literally was meant allegorically, and anything that suits my political agenda was meant literally.

 

[firedragon]

There were two different writers in Genesis, I understand, one from Israel, one from Judah who had different accounts and different names of God who were combined later into one story.

Where was Israel at that time and where was Judah? Can you pinpoint geographically?

 

[nPeace]

I'd want someone who has been successful to show me how. Not do it for me.

I've always thought Jesus worked better as the example, not the substitute.

If it's beyond your ability, would you appreciate someone stepping in, in your behalf? The illustration in this video is the perfect example

Well,
A, determine if I need to clean it up. If not, just walk away.
and, or,

Okay. It needs to be cleaned up.

B, Find some way to prevent whoever made the mess for me from making it again in the future.

Done. A way has been found to prevent whoever made the mess for anyone from making it again in the future.

So yes then!?

 

[an anarchist]

What is your conception of the Christian God? Could you define directly and specifically?

I suppose that when I say Christian God I mean it in the sense of a general Protestant point of view. So, the Trinity with all three being god. I realize there is great diversity among Protestants.