Eating a Dog

[Wildswanderer]

Farm life is even more stressful. Meat in the supermarket is neatly packaged and weighed. At the farm, you have to butcher and eat an animal that you have fed and tended for months. Often you train a cow to go to its own stall for milking, so you know that it is intelligent. Pigs are more intelligent than dogs and can be trained to do a variety of tricks.

Farm kids are often drilled with the idea that the animals are for consumption. That doesn't take away all of the stress when it comes time to butcher them.

The 4H raises animals, then auctions them to slaughter houses. Prize bulls are sold off for meat (oddly, not for milking...maybe they use cows for that). I think that the bull is warming up to me....only butted me 45 feet last time.

By divorcing ourselves from the production of food, we fail to see the cruelties.

I didn't find it stressful. And knowing your food before you eat it is just being more aware of reality.

 

[stvdv]

Something perhaps more relatable for you that should clear up your misunderstanding:

Take the statement: "Catholics are Christians"

I have no misunderstanding
I call it "different understanding)

Anyway
I rather phrase it correctly
NOT: Humans are (=) Animals

See quote below to explain
(No need to debate nor to belittle)

The Brainpower of Humanity
The general consensus at this time, across the board of researchers, is that self-awareness is the most fundamental difference between us and the animals. Human beings are capable of self-analysis, mental time travel, imagination, abstract reasoning, cultural establishment, and morality. These higher level skills separate us from the beasts, and form the basis of our global culture as a species.

 

[KWED]

Not if it's still attached to the grizzly bear.

Bear meat is extremely high in iron, so hemochromatosis sufferers would avoid it in favour of meat with a low iron content, like chicken or pork.

 

[KWED]

Aren't you the one projecting when you say it is not a moral issue?

No. I am not imposing my own values of right or wrong. I am simply pointing out that in nature/evolution, there is no right or wrong.

I genuinely don't think I am projecting.
I genuinely have never come across anyone that sees cheating, in general, as anything other than immoral.

By using the word "cheating" you are imposing your own position. Some people see having sex with others as natural, normal, even necessary (for themselves).
As I keep saying, morality is subjective and individual. I fully accept that you see extra-marital sex as "immoral". Many people do. It has been ingrained in society for centuries by organised religion. However, not everyone still maintains the full set of Abrahamic morals (although "Abrahamic morals" is a bit of an oxymoron).

 

[stvdv]

Genuinely baffled as to why you would present such a clearly terrible argument.

IF these child shooters were taught at early life they were not just animals, but are Divine incarnations, chances are they would not do such horrendous crimes later

Note: Divine incarnations, or Loving Beings, or Humanists (being humane) etc. Not just animals driven by instincts, but driven by Love and intellect

 

[stvdv]

Which is obvious nonsense.

I am amazed you feel the need to call my opinion "nonsense". I never do that. Quite disrespectful, to phrase this as a claim. And proves your answer is not smart

 

[stvdv]

Subset, not equality. The set of humans is a subset of the set of animals. But the set of animals is NOT a subset of the set of humans.

Language is ambiguous in this way: we often say "X is Y" when what we mean is that the set of X is a subset of the set of Y.

I agree

 

[KWED]

I have no misunderstanding
I call it "different understanding)

Nope. You were categorically wrong to claim that if all humans are animals, then all animals are human. That is all.

Anyway
I rather phrase it correctly
NOT: Humans are (=) Animals

That article headline is technically wrong. It should say "What Makes Us Human And Separates Us from Other Animals?"
Of course, most educated people understand what it means, but in the context of this discussion, it is wrong.

See quote below to explain

Again, technically wrong. It should say "self-awareness is the most fundamental difference between us and other animals"

(No need to debate nor to belittle)

With all due respect, there is a need to correct. If you find having your mistakes corrected "belittling", you will find it difficult to learn stuff.
Also this is a debate forum, so yes, there absolutely is a need to debate!

 

[KWED]

I am amazed you feel the need to call my opinion "nonsense". I never do that. Quite disrespectful, to phrase this as a claim. And proves your answer is not smart

Why do you find it "amazing"? You said something that was demonstrably nonsense. I pointed that out. "Respect" doesn't come into it (BTW, respect is earned, not demanded).

 

[KWED]

IF these child shooters were taught at early life they were not just animals, but are Divine incarnations, chances are they would not do such horrendous crimes later

Are you high? American children are generally taught that they were created by god. It is entirely likely that this latest shooter was raised a churchgoing Christian. Many of the previous perps were.

French children are not taught anything about god in school. How many mass shootings in schools have there been in France? None, that's how many. In fact, most of the deaths in mass shootings there have been caused by people who absolutely believed humans were created separately to other animals by a god.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Are you high? American children are generally taught that they were created by god. It is entirely likely that this latest shooter was raised a churchgoing Christian. Many of the previous perps were.

French children are not taught anything about god in school. How many mass shootings in schools have there been in France? None, that's how many. In fact, most of the deaths in mass shootings there have been caused by people who absolutely believed humans were created separately to other animals by a god.

Well, are they taught any form of morality and ethics?

 

[Koldo]

No. I am not imposing my own values of right or wrong. I am simply pointing out that in nature/evolution, there is no right or wrong.

Saying that something is a moral issue =/= imposing your values of right and wrong

By using the word "cheating" you are imposing your own position. Some people see having sex with others as natural, normal, even necessary (for themselves).
As I keep saying, morality is subjective and individual. I fully accept that you see extra-marital sex as "immoral". Many people do. It has been ingrained in society for centuries by organised religion. However, not everyone still maintains the full set of Abrahamic morals (although "Abrahamic morals" is a bit of an oxymoron).

But I don't see extra-marital sex as immoral per se.
How am I imposing my position by using the word 'cheating'?

 

[Kenny]

When the 2008 recession hit, the phone poles were covered by lost pet pictures. "Have you seen Fluffy?" "Have you seen Yumyum" (aptly named). I think that the homeless got them.

Quite possible. When you are hungry, ever lizards have been eaten.

 

[KWED]

Saying that something is a moral issue =/= imposing your values of right and wrong

If you say something is immoral", you are necessarily imposing your values of right and wrong - especially if you go on to claim that everyone else holds the same position.

But I don't see extra-marital sex as immoral per se.

You claimed that extra marital affairs are "immoral".

How am I imposing my position by using the word 'cheating'?

"Cheating" is a pejorative. By using it you are expressing disapproval.

 

[pearl]

People with hemochromatosis can safely eat meat.

I strongly disagree.
Getting enough iron is crucial to your overall health, since it's involved in oxygen transport, energy production and more. And if you're looking for dietary sources of iron, meat is a good start. Not only are many meats great sources of this mineral, but they tend to contain a form of iron easily absorbed by your body.
Meat That Contains High Iron (sfgate.com)

Hemochromatosis, or iron overload, is a condition in which your body stores too much iron. It’s often genetic. It can cause serious damage to your body, including to your heart, liver and pancreas. You can’t prevent the disease, but early diagnosis and treatment can avoid, slow or reverse organ damage.
Hemochromatosis (Iron Overload): Causes, Symptoms, Treatment, Diet & More (clevelandclinic.org)

 

[Koldo]

If you say something is immoral", you are necessarily imposing your values of right and wrong - especially if you go on to claim that everyone else holds the same position.

Nope, that's not how it works.
To impose something upon someone is to force this other person to accept it. Am I pointing a gun to you? Am I blackmailing you? Am I threatening you? If not, how am I forcing anything upon you?

You claimed that extra marital affairs are "immoral".

You have made check back on what I have posted and... Nope. I didn't say that extra martial affairs are immoral. What I have said is that cheating is immoral.

"Cheating" is a pejorative. By using it you are expressing disapproval.

Does 'having a romantic or sexual affair without your spouse/girlfriend/boyfriend's consent' sound any better?

 

[Sheldon]

This thread does make me want to go vegan.

Paradoxically I'm craving some BBQ, I guess we're all different.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Paradoxically I'm craving some BBQ, I guess we're all different.

BBQ vegans? Never had it.

 

[Sheldon]

stvdv said: ↑
Some say "humans are animals"

Yes. People who know what they are talking about.

Very true, and can read a dictionary or Google a word definition obviously.

Animal
noun

1. a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

 

[Sheldon]

BBQ vegans? Never had it.

Nor me, I had lamb chops and burgers in mind tbh. Weather's crap here though, so BBQ is out, I will be having leftover Indian food from last night. tandoori chicken biryani, keema naan bread and some chips (that's fries for anyone not from the UK).