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Hillary Clinton Approved Lies about Trump

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Sussmann trial: MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC ignore testimony that Clinton OK’d leaking of Trump-Russian allegations | Fox News

Hillary Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook testified Clinton approved the dissemination of materials to the media alleging a secret communications channel between the Trump Organization and a Russian bank, despite campaign officials not being "totally confident" in the legitimacy of the data.

How is "I'm not totally confident this is true" the same as intentionally saying something that you know isn't true (which is what a lie is)?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Her daughter is rumored to be a Satanist.
Of course it is just a rumor, but the mere possibility that this might be true implies that that family was surely not a Christian environment. Where certain values like truth and justice are considered a given.
Then it's a good thing no one brought this up. Good for you for not mentioning this rumor.

For example, If I were a politician, I would never lie or cheat to discredit my opponent. Because I don't wan't to go to Hell.
It's not a lie if you claim it's a rumor, because then you've planted the idea in people's mind.

Of course, some say gossip is a sin.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
They shouldn't be releasing fraudulent leaks to the media for political gain.

They created the lies, so of course they knew they were false.

It's a lie that Trump said "Putin is a genius" and that he's a great admirer of the murderous dictator? Trump has all kinds of ties with Russia, where is the lie?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
So it's ok to lie about someone if they also lie? Great ethics there!
So you don't support Trump and all his lies about many, many people?

It's not as if there wasn't evidence of fishy transactions. And it's not as if Trump isn't corrupt. The issue here is that there was a suspicion of Trump corruption, but lacked confirmation. So a leak of a suspicion of corruption in politics is pretty well accepted as OK. It's not as if conservative voters care about ethics. You can't make up things, like election fraud as Trump has done, but you can release info of fishy transactions and deals.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Murchoch is no republican.

This is court testimony, so that is irrelevant anyway.

Sheesh, Murdoch is Australian, it makes no difference to the far right propaganda he insists his news (chuckle) outlets pump out
 

KW

Well-Known Member
Her daughter is rumored to be a Satanist.
Of course it is just a rumor, but the mere possibility that this might be true implies that that family was surely not a Christian environment. Where certain values like truth and justice are considered a given.

For example, If I were a politician, I would never lie or cheat to discredit my opponent. Because I don't wan't to go to Hell.


Is this a joke?
 

KW

Well-Known Member
After being a paid Republican operative trying to find dirt on Trump.

The Steele Dossier issue is a bigger outrage with conservatives than liberals, and that is because it was used as a successful disinformation vehicle for easily duped conservatives consumers of fake FOX news coverage. You don't seem to realize that repeating all these fake news stories makes you look less and less credible. And more desperate. Are you going to end this discussion by claiming Trump won in 2020?


More propaganda. Steele made this stuff up and Hillary used it to lie about Trump.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It's not a lie if you claim it's a rumor, because then you've planted the idea in people's mind.

Of course, some say gossip is a sin.

I think that they have said anything about Trump. So, I guess that double standards is not a thing in my book, so I have the right to say that in my opinion, Hillary is capable of that.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I think that they have said anything about Trump. So, I guess that double standards is not a thing in my book, so I have the right to say that in my opinion, Hillary is capable of that.
If the assessment of ethics is an absolute standard, sure, Clinton and Trump both did unethical things. But if we look into the depth and severity of ethics violations, well Trump is vastly worse than Clinton, and I assert the USA would have been better off with Clinton as president over Trump. I'm not a fan of Clinton, but she is much smarter and experienced than Trump, and vastly more ethical. Trump is a laughing stock, a joke candidate that conservative voters took seriously.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
They shouldn't be releasing fraudulent leaks to the media for political gain.

They created the lies, so of course they knew they were false.

Trump and company of course. Or are you ignoring the thousands of right-wing lies about the election and everything else under the sun.
 
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