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10 killed in Buffalo, NY store shooting!

Should high-capacity magazines of civilian firearms be banned?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 28 70.0%
  • No.

    Votes: 9 22.5%
  • Maybe/Don't Know.

    Votes: 3 7.5%

  • Total voters
    40

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Or we as a modern society can make mental health access to disturbed people more readily available.
That's gonna take a lot of shrinks!

I tend to surmise what exactly creates all these disturbed people in the first place.
 

Suave

Simulated character
So if I'm a criminal about to kill people am I going to stop and decide that I can't use a lot of bullets because high capacity mags are illegal? You know what happened when they banned them before in one state? Nothing. The people who had them just hid them.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 imposed a hefty tax against fully automatic firearms and they were required to be federally registered , this gun control measure effectively banned fully automatic firearms by making them cost prohibitive, I am confident high capacity magazines could likewise be effectively banned by making them cost prohibitive,
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
You appear to be assuming that they are "evil" in a mythical demonic sort of way. Many people are evil in an "I want to kill a bunch of people without working too hard" way. This shooter did not appear to have to do anything to spectacular to get his gear. Why make it easy for such people?
You can do more damage with fertilizer and diesel fuel. You can't ban everything that can be used to kill a lot of people.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Is there a nationwide ban? There was one for a while. It is hard to say whether it had much of an effect. The killings did not drop after the ban was enacted. But they did rise substantially after the ban ended:

PolitiFact - Did mass shooting deaths fall under the 1994 assault weapon ban? Checking Bill Clinton's claim

Why did mass shooting deaths rise so sharply after the ban ended? Was it the lack of the ban or something else?
People always find ways pass the immediate effects.

Bans never work unless the objective is to go full totalitarian.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
The National Firearms Act of 1934 imposed a hefty tax against fully automatic firearms and they were required to be federally registered , this gun control measure effectively banned fully automatic firearms by making them cost prohibitive, I am confident high capacity magazines could likewise be effectively banned by making them cost prohibitive,
More like criminals found they could get by with cheaper guns.
And what you are actually doing is taking them away from law abiding people.
So if a criminal does get a large capacity full auto as happened by them robbing an armory in California, the common man is at their mercy, not to mention the police.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
People always find ways pass the immediate effects.

Bans never work unless the objective is to go full totalitarian.
What makes you think that? Right now it is just too easy to get a gun. There are many shootings that would not have happened if the shooter had to make a little extra effort. There are some cases where people would find a way. It is an error to assume that all cases could not be stopped just as it is an error to assume that all cases could be stopped. In this case you are demonstrably wrong.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
That's gonna take a lot of shrinks!

I tend to surmise what exactly creates all these disturbed people in the first place.
If we were religious, we would say God made them this way.

But since we are rational people we accept that not everyone is born like little Buddhas, without mental health issues. There are many natural disorders that occur naturally in peoples brains, but there are also many people who struggle in life because they are not taught good coping skills. Others live is high stress environments and struggle to cope with helplessness. There is also a lot of negative influences, some of which people invite into their lives, like racist views of those around them. More mental health care access would help people learn and cope better.

The USA has a subtle philosophy of everyone for themselves, and it just doesn't work.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What makes you think that? Right now it is just too easy to get a gun. There are many shootings that would not have happened if the shooter had to make a little extra effort. There are some cases where people would find a way. It is an error to assume that all cases could not be stopped just as it is an error to assume that all cases could be stopped. In this case you are demonstrably wrong.
New York already has among the toughest gun restrictions around.

Like I said, unless you go full totalitarian , it's just not going to stop someone intent on a mission to kill people.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
More like criminals found they could get by with cheaper guns.
And what you are actually doing is taking them away from law abiding people.
So if a criminal does get a large capacity full auto as happened by them robbing an armory in California, the common man is at their mercy, not to mention the police.
So you accept mass murders just so law abiding people can own guns? So much for your pro-life stance.

There are ways to regulate, but you seem to prefer everyone for himself, and be a good aim and shoot first. Very primitive living.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
New York already has among the toughest gun restrictions around.

Like I said, unless you go full totalitarian , it's just not going to stop someone intent on a mission to kill people.
Yeah, the GOP being lazy on gun regulation over the decades has allowed a huge accumulation of guns, and now mass murder is a common thing in the USA, and accepted as normal by conservatives. Very primitive attitude. Even towns in the old wild west knew better.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
So you accept mass murders just so law abiding people can own guns?
I don't accept any such thing. Law abiding people with guns don't commit mass murder.
Criminals with evil intent will find a way to kill. We should at least have a means to defend ourselves and others.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Yeah, the GOP being lazy on gun regulation over the decades has allowed a huge accumulation of guns, and now mass murder is a common thing in the USA, and accepted as normal by conservatives. Very primitive attitude. Even towns in the old wild west knew better.
You know this was New York state right? It already has extreme restrictions on guns. So much for laws stopping criminals.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If we were religious, we would say God made them this way.

But since we are rational people we accept that not everyone is born like little Buddhas, without mental health issues. There are many natural disorders that occur naturally in peoples brains, but there are also many people who struggle in life because they are not taught good coping skills. Others live is high stress environments and struggle to cope with helplessness. There is also a lot of negative influences, some of which people invite into their lives, like racist views of those around them. More mental health care access would help people learn and cope better.

The USA has a subtle philosophy of everyone for themselves, and it just doesn't work.
I understand mental illness but what's lacking in discussion is there are more factors that go beyond illness as people who are mentally fit in general become triggered to do things they normally might not have otherwise.

Even racist minded people tend to be usually reserved, happily and harmlessly tending their get togethers, waving flags, and singing songs unless something happens that triggered them out of their hidy holes.

That's why I feel society needs to lift the pressure off people good and evil alike.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I don't accept any such thing.
Prove it.

Law abiding people with guns don't commit mass murder.
The killer in Buffalo bought his gun legally. Easy gun laws make this possible. I've always been an advocate that there should be law enforcement screenings of anyone applying to get a high power semi-auto rifle. That would include a mental health assessment.

Or are the lives of our neighbors not important enough?

Criminals with evil intent will find a way to kill. We should at least have a means to defend ourselves and others.
Sure, with so many guns out there criminals pose a bigger threat, so what is the solution? More guns. Some self-defense gun owners sell their old guns to friends or co-workers or whenever when they get a new one. No record. No tracing. Not illegal. More unknown guns getting to criminals. Rinse. Repeat.

And gun manufacturers are raking in big profits.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
New York already has among the toughest gun restrictions around.

Like I said, unless you go full totalitarian , it's just not going to stop someone intent on a mission to kill people.
Dude! You missed the solution staring you in the face. No need to go full totalitarian. Just make New York's reasonable laws national ones.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Prove it.


The killer in Buffalo bought his gun legally. Easy gun laws make this possible. I've always been an advocate that there should be law enforcement screenings of anyone applying to get a high power semi-auto rifle. That would include a mental health assessment.

Or are the lives of our neighbors not important enough?


Sure, with so many guns out there criminals pose a bigger threat, so what is the solution? More guns. Some self-defense gun owners sell their old guns to friends or co-workers or whenever when they get a new one. No record. No tracing. Not illegal. More unknown guns getting to criminals. Rinse. Repeat.

And gun manufacturers are raking in big profits.
Yes, more guns!!!!!! I suggest a reasonable age of five but no younger to buy and carry a gun.
 
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