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Questions to nonautistics

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Regarding food...this is an autistic experience that is common and apparently weird but I wonder if some folk nonautistic can relate so let me know. If I don't like a food or don't know what I want to eat I'll just not eat. It doesn't matter if I skipped a meal earlier that day or how hungry I am I literally cannot force myself to eat something I don't want to eat. If I do it takes a considerable amount of energy. Can y'all relate or no?
Oh, my God, that sounds like my son when he lived with us! We tried and tried to get him to eat some food other than a few foods, and he wouldn't eat them. It was as if it was poison! We would go for over a long time and he still wouldn't eat them. It felt liked we failed him. Ask @JustGeorge about how to deal with this. She said one of her autistic children was the same, but there was some kind of method to deal with this, that worked with her kid, but she didn't specify it to me. Apparently this method was come with after Michael left our home, and I guess it was applied to him at that time, because he eats much more variety now. Whether this would work with you, I don't know. As you know, each autistic person is unique. I didn't really have that problem.
 
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VoidCat

Pronouns: he/him/they/them
How do you get to locate your body parts by moving?
Honestly don't know. Think it's the brain signals being sent there telling my body to move.

I also can locate them by sitting in odd positions. I think that has to do with pressure and physical touch helping me to get in touch with my proprioceptive sense
 
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VoidCat

Pronouns: he/him/they/them
Oh, my God, that sounds like my son when he lived with us! We tried and tried to get him to eat some food other than a few foods, and he wouldn't eat them. It was as if it was poison! We would go for over a long time and he still wouldn't eat them. It felt liked we failed him. Ask @JustGeorge about how to deal with this. She said one of her autistic children was the same, but there was some kind of method to deal with this, that worked with her kid, but she didn't specify it to me. Apparently this method was come with after Michael left our home, and I guess it was applied to him at that time, because he eats much more variety now. Whether this would work with you, I don't know. As you know, each autistic person is unique. I didn't really have that problem.
thanks.
@JustGeorge if you want to help me with this you can
 

VoidCat

Pronouns: he/him/they/them
It was that way for me for me when I was young. Didn't realize what that meant. My son Michael when he was young avoided eye contact, now he doesn't. I hope you'll get over that just as Michael and I did.
It's not that I don't know what it means it's that it's physically painful. I don't think I need to get over it other people just need to respect it
 

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
thanks.
@JustGeorge if you want to help me with this you can

Ares did feeding therapy, and that was very successful. He did it through an outside agency. You might inquire through your doctor how to get in touch with this kind of therapy; we had to get a referral.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
It was that way for me for me when I was young. Didn't realize what that meant. My son Michael when he was young avoided eye contact, now he doesn't. I hope you'll get over that just as Michael and I did.
My mom heavily and extensively worked with me as a child with eye contact, but I still wonder why and have a tendency to not make it just because, well, why? I'm still actively listening and engaged.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Tagging @Guitar's Cry cuz he may be helpful. Im also tagging @firedragon in case he want to answer these which he may not. If he dont he dont have to. These may be hard questions to answer or they may not be. I just thought I'd ask them. I made a thread where folk can ask me about autism now nonautistic folk can answer me a few questions.
A few? That's a lot of questions.

I'm going to answer them in small batches at a time. FYI, I'm not on the spectrum but I'm also not neurotypical and autistic people have frequently accused me to be on the spectrum.
Why do I have to say goodbye when I hang up the phone? Why can't I just be like ok and hang up? Apparently thats rude and I dont know why.
It's protocol.
A proper transmission ends with EOT (end-of-transmission) signals from both sides. That is to avoid a state of uncertainty whether the line was dropped by accident. Some protocols call for reopening the channel to ensure a proper end of transmission.
In other word, you assume "OK" is a proper EOT or you just don't care about protocol.
Can y'all hear dog whistles? I can but a nonautistic friend said thats impossible humans aren't supposed to hear them. I saw online some autistics can hear them so it's not just a me thing. Was my friend just messing can nonautistic folk not hear them?
I could hear some but most were out of my frequency spectrum. I could hear bat twitter until I turned 50. It has little to do with autism, it is just human nature that our ears loose the ability to hear high frequencies when we age. But there is some variety. I know of some adults who still hear above 18kHz, mostly musicians.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I could hear some but most were out of my frequency spectrum. I could hear bat twitter until I turned 50. It has little to do with autism, it is just human nature that our ears loose the ability to hear high frequencies when we age. But there is some variety. I know of some adults who still hear above 18kHz, mostly musicians.
One thing that has had me wondering for many years is there is a screamed line in the intro of a song, but I cannot hear it, at all. Otherwise I have excellent hearing and hear can things most others can't. :confused:
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
One thing that has had me wondering for many years is there is a screamed line in the intro of a song, but I cannot hear it, at all. Otherwise I have excellent hearing and hear can things most others can't. :confused:
That seams odd. It is a known defect that people loose a small gap in the frequency band, mostly from hearing too much loud noises (clubs and concerts) but that would make you insensitive to all notes of that frequency. Can you hear it when someone plays the same note on an instrument?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
That seams odd. It is a known defect that people loose a small gap in the frequency band, mostly from hearing too much loud noises (clubs and concerts) but that would make you insensitive to all notes of that frequency. Can you hear it when someone plays the same note on an instrument?
Probably. I have wondered if it may just be something in the editing and mastering process, but I don't know. I just know lots of people have told me it's there, and one of my nephews who's too young to know the song told me what it was when I asked what he heard.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
II am hard of hearing and do not use hearing aid. It is such a relief to have less sound overload. Yes, eyes, facial expressions convey the drift. If there is something important my family and relatives will speak a bit loudly. Otherwise my presence is my participation (as an elder - I am half-way through 79). :)
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Do you know all humans are by term a human or the human only. First.

A human experience is personal.

If a human didn't exist as a human female versus man human maths theist who would you blame for any humans life change? Yourself man the scientist?

Not likely.

So you look for the reason you were wrong and the answer is look at yourself for once.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Which gives you more info? Looking in people's eyes or at their mouth?
Neither. Eyes and mouths are too low information. I need more than single bits. Preferably the whole body.
For me eye contact is painful and overwhelming. Makes me uncomfortable. But what is eye contact to you since from my understanding most don't experience that feeling when making eye contact?
Similar to saying "bye" on the phone, eye contact is protocol. Making eye contact says "You have my attention, we can now start communicating". Without it there is doubt whether you are ready to communicate or your attention is focused on something else. And it would be rude to interrupt you in your concentration.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Neither. Eyes and mouths are too low information. I need more than single bits. Preferably the whole body.
Similar to saying "bye" on the phone, eye contact is protocol. Making eye contact says "You have my attention, we can now start communicating". Without it there is doubt whether you are ready to communicate or your attention is focused on something else. And it would be rude to interrupt you in your concentration.
I don't get this, because that doesn't necessarily mean someone is actually listening. Someone can be making excellent eye contact, but if they aren't actively listening then this person is just hearing words.
Shouldn't it be the quality of conversation rather than where people are looking?
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I don't get this, because that doesn't necessarily mean someone is actually listening. Someone can be making excellent eye contact, but if they aren't actively listening then this person is just hearing words.
Shouldn't it be the quality of conversation rather than where people are looking?
On the other hand, you can also simply say "yes" and don't look when addressed. It's not universal, a mere convention. It is also a courtesy. Interrupting ones work and making eye contact says "you have my full attention" not only a sliver. On the other hand again, making eye contact and then not really listening is simply lying and therefore as rude, or even more so than, only giving a part of the attention to the speaker.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
Staff member
Premium Member
Which gives you more info? Looking in people's eyes or at their mouth? And if you look in people's eyes how do you get info on emotional state? Eyes do nothing for me in terms of informing me on emotional state. Following this line of thought can you really tell if someone might be lying though looking them in the eye? How? For me eye contact is painful and overwhelming. Makes me uncomfortable. But what is eye contact to you since from my understanding most don't experience that feeling when making eye contact?
It is the muscles around the eye and around the mouth, not the eye itself or the mouth itself. Maybe it will help not to look directly into the eyes.

Whenever you think of a smile, stretch your bottom lip, raise your cheeks, raise your eyebrows and try to pull back your cheeks towards your ears. Not with your hands just with your face muscles. You are opening your face, like a window or like opening your posture.

Muscles around the eye are part of a happy smile. Muscles around the mouth only indicate half of a smile. The cheeks also are part of the half smile but are only about 1/3 of the whole. For many people the ears move, too. My ears and scalp move when I make a full laughing smile. They move back.

You can smile with only your eyes, although this tends to affect your mouth as well. It usually means you feel nice or are suppressing joy. I exercise smiling with my full face, because if I only smile with my mouth then I don't get the health effects of a happy smile. Think of a smile as opening the face, because the eyebrows go up, and the bottom lip stretches, cheeks spread, ears spread, scalp moves back. It is analogous to opening a flower. The person is opening and is inviting, and their body expresses that openness in a physical way.

When you see a smile it should make you feel like you are smiling. You should feel warmth and an invitation. The natural thing to do is to open your face in return, unless you are unhappy, angry etc. In that case you can try to fake it or can be honest your expression.

Very often we are forced to pretend we are happy. At work I am constantly asked how I am doing. What am I supposed to say? I don't know most of these people, so I can't start talking about my personal situation. I say something like "Good!" and smile. They ask how I am doing, but it is not a sincere question. Its more like "Hello," and what they want is to know that we are at peace. It feels fake, and I don't like it -- but its how things are where I work. Its no big deal. I also get tired of saying the same thing all the time, so I try to change up my reply. It always has the same underlying meaning though. If I say "Well not so good today but maybe tomorrow" it is the same and means "You and I are fine. Carry on." They go on, and so do I. They forget, and I forget.

You can also smile a little with your posture. There is also open posture and closed posture. When a person enters a room of strangers with head down, they are perceived as uninterested and as evasive. They are using closed posture. They have frowned with their posture and have also shown either lack of confidence or confusion or that they are in a hurry...something like that. When they enter with head up, their posture means they are interested, open to people to speak to them and interact with them. It is like the smile and works with the smile. Walking casually is open, because it is associated with the things related to happiness. Walking fast is closed, because it is associated with things like stress. When people see you walk in a hurry, they will feel like you are closed. It is an intuition they feel that you are unavailable. Smiles are similar.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
But why? And why do we have to say hello at the beginning? What's wrong with a "ja" or "what?" or even "who's calling?" Why is that rude?

Because it doesn't sound natural. Would you start a conversation in person with: 'what?'.

To me it seems like the odd obsession over eye contact. It takes a deal of effort to that, remembering to occasional blink and look away, make facial expressions, and make sure everything is matching, it's all exhausting.

That's not supposed to be exhausting though. Around here at least I think that once people notice you are on the autism spectrum they won't expect you to do all of those things.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
It's not that I don't know what it means it's that it's physically painful. I don't think I need to get over it other people just need to respect it

Do you feel threatened?
I can't help but think that much of what you experience is a more extreme version of what many of us experience.
 
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