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Why I go after Religious bigotry (+ DIR question)!

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Two topics in this Opie to kill two birds with one stone! :D

Might I ask for permission to enter every single DIR , and do forbidden things, like to give positive rating reputation points (frubals) to the posts that I like there?

One of my pet peeves is, is I see like something really important in a dir, and I can't even give it a thumbs up! :(

On second thought, on judgment Day you might have to consider how much time you spent giving positive reputation points, thumbs up, positive, friendly, winner, creative, useful ratings to posts. If you never ever rated a post, think about all the other things you could have done with the amount of time when you added it all up! You could feedz the needy! :p

(On judgment day, I will have to answer for some of the threads I started on RF. Usually the bad things I say about God though are to make a statement to him, to be more kind to people. And to make a statement to people who use the Bible to bash people, and call them idolaters, trample upon everything other people hold Us sacred.

It is true that I do the same thing sometimes, but I only do it to defend people who are being attacked and called demon worshipers! A lot of people call over a billion christians: "devil worshipers, idolaters, pagans, and followers of the w**** of Babylon, the beast of the apocalypse! " And I simply find that attitude to be very unchristian, very sick, very wrong! Also, Rome is not Babylon by the way! ;)

I was telling @stvdv :

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and that payment of homage to cup, makes them have higher moral standards, more virtuous, more humble, do good deeds, be more kind to people, be more joyful, peaceful, blissful, and euphoric, I will not tell them their religion is bad or that there's anything wrong with it, if that is the path that their heart, mind, and soul feels is right for them, makes them nicer to others!

If the person starts to say, "those who don't worship my coffee cup, are paying homage to false gods, are paying homage to demons, are an evil religion" etc, then I will attack their religious beliefs, as a way to defend the people they are persecuting, disrespecting, judging, or condemning!

There has not been a time at RF or anywhere, that I have criticized another religion, unless it is to defend somebody that they are judging and condemning based off of the text that they follow!

If it ever seems like I'm being mean, I'm actually defending people that are being bullied.

I go to the cathedral, and people will spray paint idol on statues, and spray paint on the sidewalks: "thou shalt not bow before graven images!"

They totally ignore that God had the Israelites create graven images, including a Brazen serpent that healed the people , and they had to turn to it for their survival! ;)


If people are being judgmental, calling a religion the w**** of babylon, the religion of the Antichrist, the great prostitute, Idolaters, etc, I will point out how unbiblical or inhospitable, judgmental, condemning, and uncharitable their religion is, not to attack anybody as a means of going on the offensive, but to defend the people that they are bullying and condemning.

I'm actually on the defensive in that respect! These people I go after are always on the attack, so I defend people getting bullied, like the hundreds of millions of people robbed of basic liberties and freedom of religion and speech in Islamic regimes.

To defend them, and speak up for people who will be arrested, flogged, beheaded, or violently murdered for speaking the truth, I am a voice for them, pointing out the calls to violence, hate, and bigotry in the Quran, that causes these regimes, empowers them, motivates them!

Most people are totally uninformed about it! Someone needs to be speaking the truth and pointing out the hate speech and graphic mutilations, tortures, amputations of limbs, stoning adulterers, crucifixions, boiling water poured on people, burning in the next life, is very disturbing, and in the text, and regimes like Isis have done those things like that to people in my life time. If I wrote a text like that and gave it to my psychiatrist, he would have me committed and say it was psychopathic!

But back to the topic of the op, I keep seeing threads in the dir that I like, and I'm not able to give them positive ratings, give them a bonus, and I feel like they're missing out big time! :(

:p might I ask for change?

As Barack Obama said, "yes we can!". :D
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Also, my coffee cup has that chip that you see on it. I bought that coffee cup about around the time Russia invaded the Ukraine which wasn't that long ago.

It was a brand new cup. I didn't buy it used. What in the devil's name is responsible for that chip that it receives.o_O:eek: I'm so gentle, with it, treat it with tenderness, I treat it well with respect and dignity:rolleyes:. I give it a better life I thought!

It never fell or hit anything hard. Why the chip? How did it get there? I have no recollection of the chip being there when I purchased it!
 

JustGeorge

Not As Much Fun As I Look
Staff member
Premium Member
Might I ask for permission to enter every single DIR , and do forbidden things, like to give positive rating reputation points (frubals) to the posts that I like there?

One of my pet peeves is, is I see like something really important in a dir, and I can't even give it a thumbs up! :(

It doesn't work that way, but you can leave them a message on their profile page or send them a PM if you like their post that you're unable to frubal. :)

On second thought, on judgment Day you might have to consider how much time you spent giving positive reputation points, thumbs up, positive, friendly, winner, creative, useful ratings to posts. If you never ever rated a post, think about all the other things you could have done with the amount of time when you added it all up! You could feedz the needy! :p

I'm doomed!

I guess its fortunate I'm not waiting on any Judgement Day! :D
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Bigotry is bad in all its forms. A person who is a bigot is someone who has strong, extreme and unreasonable beliefs.

I think a prime example of bigotry would be the belief in a Hellfire, would you not agree? These bigots imagine that a person, under no fault of their own, born into sin, if they don't meet up to God's requirements of righteousness, or receive of God's mercy, will after death be burned in a fiery torment forever and ever.

But God's word explains why such bigots exist in the world and foment their bigotry when it says:

"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."-1 John 5:19.

As the "wicked one" has power over the whole earth he is also misleading everyone with his false religious propaganda:

"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him."-Revelation 12:9.

I have heard some say that to believe God's word when it says everyone is being mislead by Satan, and that he is misleading the entire inhabited earth is bigotry. We have to reject what he teaches. Rather they prefer to believe all of the violence, hatred, division, and war on earth is done by God's people. Yet where the spirit of God resides their is peace and love and agreement, unity and onesness of mind.

Where the spirit of world, the spirit of Satan and his demons exist there are divisions, hatreds, disagreements, strife, war, and every vile thing.

God permitted the wickedness in the nation of Israel up to a point but he also punished them. In the book of Judges we see how he allowed the people surrounding the Israelites in the Promised Land to defeat them when they strayed from God. Later we see how he allowed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem and its temple in 607 B. C. E. And even later after they put his son to death, we see how he reacted destroying Jerusalem and its temple in 70 C. E. by means of the Roman armies.

Will God do any less to the hypocritical religions of Christendom who have acted exactly the same way Jerusalem did? You indicted you understood that God's people the Isaerlites, behaving wickedly in the Bible, but you never really thought it through to see the consequences of their conduct, and how God responded. And if God responded in such a way toward his own people how will he react towards those who claim to be his followers and perpetuate acts even more evil and cruel than they did? The God they defame, and abuse all day long. They hide his name, and abuse him without letup, saying he is the cause of all the wrong, all the suffering, and he will then burn people forever in an eternal place of fiery torment. Do you think God has no feelings? That he will never react to the grand abuses heaped upon his good name? Is he supposed to sit back and forever bear the slanders on his name, when Jesus himself asked God in prayer for him to sanctify his name? And on the night before his death he prayed: "Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came out of heaven: “I have glorified it and will glorify it again.”-John 12:28.

God has said of such bigots who defame his name day and night:

"For the heart of this people has grown unperceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.’-Matthew 13:15.

It is because they allow their own minds and hearts to close to the truth. Paul reasoned it this way:

"For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge.  For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God."-Romans 10:2-3.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
It doesn't work that way, but you can leave them a message on their profile page or send them a PM if you like their post that you're unable to frubal. :)



I'm doomed!

I guess its fortunate I'm not waiting on any Judgement Day! :D
No problemo! ;)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Bigotry is bad in all its forms. A person who is a bigot is someone who has strong, extreme and unreasonable beliefs.

I think a prime example of bigotry would be the belief in a Hellfire, would you not agree? These bigots imagine that a person, under no fault of their own, born into sin, if they don't meet up to God's requirements of righteousness, or receive of God's mercy, will after death be burned in a fiery torment forever and ever.

But God's word explains why such bigots exist in the world and foment their bigotry when it says:

"The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one."-1 John 5:19.

As the "wicked one" has power over the whole earth he is also misleading everyone with his false religious propaganda:

"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him."-Revelation 12:9.

I have heard some say that to believe God's word when it says everyone is being mislead by Satan, and that he is misleading the entire inhabited earth is bigotry. We have to reject what he teaches. Rather they prefer to believe all of the violence, hatred, division, and war on earth is done by God's people. Yet where the spirit of God resides their is peace and love and agreement, unity and onesness of mind.

Where the spirit of world, the spirit of Satan and his demons exist there are divisions, hatreds, disagreements, strife, war, and every vile thing.

God permitted the wickedness in the nation of Israel up to a point but he also punished them. In the book of Judges we see how he allowed the people surrounding the Israelites in the Promised Land to defeat them when they strayed from God. Later we see how he allowed Babylon to destroy Jerusalem and its temple in 607 B. C. E. And even later after they put his son to death, we see how he reacted destroying Jerusalem and its temple in 70 C. E. by means of the Roman armies.

Will God do any less to the hypocritical religions of Christendom who have acted exactly the same way Jerusalem did? You indicted you understood that God's people the Isaerlites, behaving wickedly in the Bible, but you never really thought it through to see the consequences of their conduct, and how God responded. And if God responded in such a way toward his own people how will he react towards those who claim to be his followers and perpetuate acts even more evil and cruel than they did? The God they defame, and abuse all day long. They hide his name, and abuse him without letup, saying he is the cause of all the wrong, all the suffering, and he will then burn people forever in an eternal place of fiery torment. Do you think God has no feelings? That he will never react to the grand abuses heaped upon his good name? Is he supposed to sit back and forever bear the slanders on his name, when Jesus himself asked God in prayer for him to sanctify his name? And on the night before his death he prayed: "Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came out of heaven: “I have glorified it and will glorify it again.”-John 12:28.

God has said of such bigots who defame his name day and night:

"For the heart of this people has grown unperceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.’-Matthew 13:15.

It is because they allow their own minds and hearts to close to the truth. Paul reasoned it this way:

"For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge.  For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God."-Romans 10:2-3.
The doctrine of hell is a despicable ugly doctrine, but you are being highly unbiblical by saying that God doesn't promote it.

Wailing and gnashing of teeth and people burning in torments in another realm after death, is repeatedly mentioned in scripture with eternal punishment! All of Christians believed in that doctrine, at least every Christian Church on Earth for over 1500 years, and still the vast majority of them do.

There is over 2 billion Christians in the world, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the number is 2 billion or extremely close to 2 billion that believe in the doctrine of hell.

For over 1500 years, every Christian Church on the face of the Earth believed in that doctrine, as I said, making God a lousy untrustworthy shepherd, if what you say is true, and he let them all be deceived!

But I already know you speak falsehood , you believe Catholics pray to devils. That is extremely bigoted, extremely judgmental, extremely condemning, extremely uncharitable, and you claim to be a Bible christian, yet you don't even follow the bible, and you preach things that are opposite of what the Bible says anyway! There is a word for that. It starts with an "h"...

If God is going to let his people go astray for that long and believe falsehood, and leave us with so many scripture verses that support such a falsehood, then God clearly wants people to believe in such things, or he would enlighten everybody to believe differently, and not leave so many verses that support such a belief.

So, I would love to give God a good name, and I thank and praise him every day, worship one God, the Creator! It just so happens that the Bible makes God look terrible in countless places!

Also, Jesus even made it clear that there are people who become gods! He said, "know you not , that you are gods, " and he was referring to people!

I'm amazed that you would say that God despises bigots, when bigotry is promoted over and over and over and over and over again , from Genesis to revelation!

Scripture says "God is a jealous wrathful God", despite it saying that the opposite in other places!

The god that scripture portrays is extremely bigoted, extremely violent, and has people executed for working on saturdays! What would we think if America started killing people for working on the wrong day of the week, and that was the law!? We would think it's totally crazy, extremely atrocious, extremely sick, extremely wrong!

Yet God ordered people to be stoned to death, a very scary, barbaric, cruel, inhumane way to die , for working on Saturday!

That's the Bible for you! The God you promote is not the God found in Scripture! Not even close! Nice try though! ;)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I would respect your Religion, but you told me, that because I ask people in heaven (with Jesus and God ) to pray for me, and the Rosary helps me be virtuous, and a better person, that I pray to malevolent wicked spirits!

You made it clear that you think I worship or pray to devils (demons), that I'm Satanic, and Pagan, so if you are going to judge and condemn my Religious views, how about taking a look at how Unbiblical yours are!???

And the only times I say bad things about God , is when he is being cruel or a bigot. Any loving kind person should object to cruelty and bigotry , and sadistic behavior or torturing people and genocide, which Scripture promotes!

Other than that, I love other qualities about God, and praise and thank and worship him daily!

Fortunately, in Scripture, it says God changes his mind, feels sorry, and repents of evil. So I can hopefully get him to change , be nice, not be the jealous, wrathful, bigot Scripture says he is! ;)

In Jesus name I pray, Amen!

But you told me I pray to demons, which is far worse than anything I said about your Religion.

Have a little taste of your own medicine, if you insist on judging and condemning people, what they cherish as sacred , and say disgusting things about the religions most people adhere to! What goes around sometimes comes around!

For Bible Christians that respect others, don't judge, don't condemn, etc, I love them, and encourage them to keep up the good work! ;)
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
The doctrine of hell is a despicable ugly doctrine, but you are being highly unbiblical by saying that God doesn't promote it.

Wailing and gnashing of teeth and people burning in torments in another realm after death, is repeatedly mentioned in scripture with eternal punishment! All of Christians believed in that doctrine, at least every Christian Church on Earth for over 1500 years, and still the vast majority of them do.

There is over 2 billion Christians in the world, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the number is 2 billion or extremely close to 2 billion that believe in the doctrine of hell.

For over 1500 years, every Christian Church on the face of the Earth believed in that doctrine, as I said, making God a lousy untrustworthy shepherd, if what you say is true, and he let them all be deceived!

But I already know you speak falsehood , you believe Catholics pray to devils. That is extremely bigoted, extremely judgmental, extremely condemning, extremely uncharitable, and you claim to be a Bible christian, yet you don't even follow the bible, and you preach things that are opposite of what the Bible says anyway! There is a word for that. It starts with an "h"...

If God is going to let his people go astray for that long and believe falsehood, and leave us with so many scripture verses that support such a falsehood, then God clearly wants people to believe in such things, or he would enlighten everybody to believe differently, and not leave so many verses that support such a belief.

So, I would love to give God a good name, and I thank and praise him every day, worship one God, the Creator! It just so happens that the Bible makes God look terrible in countless places!

Also, Jesus even made it clear that there are people who become gods! He said, "know you not , that you are gods, " and he was referring to people!

I'm amazed that you would say that God despises bigots, when bigotry is promoted over and over and over and over and over again , from Genesis to revelation!

Scripture says "God is a jealous wrathful God", despite it saying that the opposite in other places!

The god that scripture portrays is extremely bigoted, extremely violent, and has people executed for working on saturdays! What would we think if America started killing people for working on the wrong day of the week, and that was the law!? We would think it's totally crazy, extremely atrocious, extremely sick, extremely wrong!

Yet God ordered people to be stoned to death, a very scary, barbaric, cruel, inhumane way to die , for working on Saturday!

That's the Bible for you! The God you promote is not the God found in Scripture! Not even close! Nice try though! ;)

Without a doubt! I agree that it is a despicable teaching. It is so extreme a view it makes God less than human. And his sense of justice worse than that of many humans. Can that really be the case? You would have to be a bigot to have such an extreme unreasonable belief. I am not saying that to call you names, just to help you reason that it is a bigoted view, that is it isn't a reasonable belief to have.

When God's word says:

"The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness,  and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be."-Matthew 13:41-42

This is referring to the time that God will met out justice upon false religion. So the people doing the weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will still be alive on earth. Why are they doing that? Revelation tells us that it will be because they see God's judgement has come upon them and they will not be able to escape it:

"Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.16And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,17because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”-Revelation 6:15-17

You see at that time adherents to false religion will have to flee from her in order to remain alive. But they will find no relief in atheistic nationalism which will also be done away with at Armageddon. They will see the sign of the son of man in the heavens, and will know their judgement has come. They will not escape God's executionary angels.

The fact they will be pitched into a fiery furnace is in that they will be completely destroyed. Just as fire destroys completely:

"These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones."-2 Thessalonians 1:9-10.

Something that is destroyed does not exist.

So that same firey destruction is the one that is referred to that Satan and all the wicked after the thousand-year-rule of Christ will go to:

"And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.  Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire."-Revelation 20:14-15.

Fire here represents complete destruction. The scripture itself tells us what the "lake of fire" means. It means the second death. The first death is the one that was just talked about in the previous verse:

"And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds."-Revelation 20:13.

Those sleeping in the Grave (or Hell as some translations call it) will be resurrected. They will be taught the truth. Then after Satan is let lose from the abyss they will be judged according to the final test. Those who rebel will not go back to the Grave, or the Hell. They will be thrown into the lake of fire. That is they will be destroyed forever, they will receive the second death, from which there is no resurrection.

Today, Spiderman, those in that prophecy in Matthew that Jesus talks about, those who go to the fiery furnace go directly to eternal destruction, the second death. They will NOT be resurrected.

It will be as the scripture I quoted you at 2 Thessalonians 1:9-10 "everlasting destruction."

That is why Jesus said:

"And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Ge·henʹna."-Matthew 10:28.


Gehenna was a valley where the smoke always ascended because that is where they took their refuse to burn. What happens to that garbage that was burned? It was destroyed, it ceased to exist. Those thrown into Gehenna, the lake of fire, will be destroyed completely and forever. There is never a hope of them to live again.

There is no Hellfire, where people will be alive and suffer eternally. Reason with what I showed you with the bigoted, unreasonable teaching false religion has given you.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I love everything about any Religion that promotes charity, self-control, sacrifice, prayer, faith in unseen entities, and the golden rule, but when those religions start to call other religions "prostitute, whore of Babylon, Idolaters" and label what others cherish as sacred, as being Satanic, it really bothers me, and is EXTREMELY common among Christians and Muslims, to the point, I became basically a Shinto , who accepts Jesus Christ as dying to atone for my sins, a great Kami with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Shinto has no inerrant Scriptures, only one Dogma (belief in God and Spirits, Kami), no known founder, and nothing to essentially argue about.

You follow your mind, heart, soul, conscience, enshrine God and heavenly beings allied with him/her, and Angels, and follow your conscience, and do good deeds!

Nothing to argue about, and the Shinto faith doesn't condemn other religions, have any grounds for calling someone a heretic, and with no known founder, we can't have incessant arguments and debates about what the founder said or meant, and without inerrant Scriptures, (and only one Dogma that heavenly beings , spirit beings, Kami exist,) nothing to argue, fight, judge, or condemn people over!

Otherwise, we have an outdated Ancient text called the Bible, which promotes genocide, war, a jealous God, a wrathful God, condemns what Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, and countless people cherish, says that God favored descendants of Jacob above everyone else, blessed them more than anyone, revealed the truth for countless centuries only to them, with a very extremely rare exception (total bigotry), a God who promoted racial purity (Israelites forbidden to marry other people), a Bible that promoted slavery, wars of aggression, massive exterminations of children, pregnant women, babies, first born of Egypt, a God who Isaiah said "I CREATE EVIL, I BRING DISASTER", a God who brings plagues, famines, curses descendants of people for the minor sins of their parents, and countless behaviors that my conscience tells me: "THAT IS CRUEL, WRONG, HATEFUL, BIGOTRY!"

God gave me a conscience to tell me what is right and wrong! I shouldn't promote what my conscience tells me is evil, sick, cruel, violent, oppression, disgusting, because an ancient outdated text that promotes slavery, and contradicts itself many times, tells me to.

@Sgt. Pepper , I look up to you. :) Do you have anything to add to that?, as I feel your pain, spending over a decade praying to our God that your abuse would stop, and he could have effortlessly intervened to help you, and countless hundreds of millions of people going through similar or worse suffering, who pray to him for help, and receive nothing!

Without violating free will, there are countless ways God could prevent suicides, homicides, abuse, confusion, misery, agony, violence, sickness, and death! :(

My grievances are well warranted, and not unreasonable! I'm not asking God to remove free will, end suffering, end death, or give me even a happy life.

If I must carry my cross, suffer agony and crucifixion, martyrdom in this life, I accept it, I embrace it if a wiser sentient being says it is best , and martyrdom, my cross to bear!

But the least God could do is speak up, shows people he is their friend, give some instructions
, help people maximize their potential and not waste time. Especially when he promised his Spirit would guide us, we could do greater works than Christ, ask anything in his name and it will be granted! All of which Scripture says!

But I respect any part of any Religion that makes a person more kind to others and happy.

It's when they start the "whore of Babylon, prostitute, Religion of the antichrist, Pagan Idolaters" talk about other people's beliefs and practices, and telling other Christians that friendship with the communion of Saints in heaven, is prayers to Demons, (a common Protestant accusation and sentiment, it is only then that I must get defensive, point out how unbiblical they are, and the errors of Scripture.

I hope everyone understands, that it is out of love that I point such things out. :)
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
I love everything about any Religion that promotes charity, self-control, sacrifice, prayer, faith in unseen entities, and the golden rule, but when those religions start to call other religions "prostitute, whore of Babylon, Idolaters" and label what others cherish as sacred, as being Satanic, it really bothers me, and is EXTREMELY common among Christians and Muslims, to the point, I became basically a Shinto , who accepts Jesus Christ as dying to atone for my sins, a great Kami with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Shinto has no inerrant Scriptures, only one Dogma (belief in God and Spirits, Kami), no known founder, and nothing to essentially argue about.

You follow your mind, heart, soul, conscience, enshrine God and heavenly beings allied with him/her, and Angels, and follow your conscience, and do good deeds!

Nothing to argue about, and the Shinto faith doesn't condemn other religions, have any grounds for calling someone a heretic, and with no known founder, we can't have incessant arguments and debates about what the founder said or meant, and without inerrant Scriptures, (and only one Dogma that heavenly beings , spirit beings, Kami exist,) nothing to argue, fight, judge, or condemn people over!

Otherwise, we have an outdated Ancient text called the Bible, which promotes genocide, war, a jealous God, a wrathful God, condemns what Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, and countless people cherish, says that God favored descendants of Jacob above everyone else, blessed them more than anyone, revealed the truth for countless centuries only to them, with a very extremely rare exception (total bigotry), a God who promoted racial purity (Israelites forbidden to marry other people), a Bible that promoted slavery, wars of aggression, massive exterminations of children, pregnant women, babies, first born of Egypt, a God who Isaiah said "I CREATE EVIL, I BRING DISASTER", a God who brings plagues, famines, curses descendants of people for the minor sins of their parents, and countless behaviors that my conscience tells me: "THAT IS CRUEL, WRONG, HATEFUL, BIGOTRY!"

God gave me a conscience to tell me what is right and wrong! I shouldn't promote what my conscience tells me is evil, sick, cruel, violent, oppression, disgusting, because an ancient outdated text that promotes slavery, and contradicts itself many times, tells me to.

@Sgt. Pepper , I look up to you. :) Do you have anything to add to that?, as I feel your pain, spending over a decade praying to our God that your abuse would stop, and he could have effortlessly intervened to help you, and countless hundreds of millions of people going through similar or worse suffering, who pray to him for help, and receive nothing!

Without violating free will, there are countless ways God could prevent suicides, homicides, abuse, confusion, misery, agony, violence, sickness, and death! :(

My grievances are well warranted, and not unreasonable! I'm not asking God to remove free will, end suffering, end death, or give me even a happy life.

If I must carry my cross, suffer agony and crucifixion, martyrdom in this life, I accept it, I embrace it if a wiser sentient being says it is best , and martyrdom, my cross to bear!

But the least God could do is speak up, shows people he is their friend, give some instructions
, help people maximize their potential and not waste time. Especially when he promised his Spirit would guide us, we could do greater works than Christ, ask anything in his name and it will be granted! All of which Scripture says!

But I respect any part of any Religion that makes a person more kind to others and happy.

It's when they start the "whore of Babylon, prostitute, Religion of the antichrist, Pagan Idolaters" talk about other people's beliefs and practices, and telling other Christians that friendship with the communion of Saints in heaven, is prayers to Demons, (a common Protestant accusation and sentiment, it is only then that I must get defensive, point out how unbiblical they are, and the errors of Scripture.

I hope everyone understands, that it is out of love that I point such things out. :)

I understand what you are saying. And believe you are sincere. That is also why I keep discoursing with you, because you are a reasoning person. God wantssuch like ones to take his message to the people, just like he sent Jonah.

Imagine if those people in Nineveh thought Jonah was a bigot for declaring God's day of vengeance on the city, and instead of listening and repenting they stoned him, put him to death, or called him a bigot and drove him from the city? What would have happened to them? And was Jonah a bigot for obeying God in declaring his message to a people who served false gods, and didn't even know right from wrong?

Many know no better, and they need the warning. That is the good you are asking to do. Take the message of the loving and good God who does not want to see anyone die. Rather he wants all to repent and to achieve repentance:

"Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."-2 Peter 3:9.

We can't read the heart. And we don't judge. We can only do what God tells us to do. And part of having the truth is spreading it abroad with others. The good news really is good news!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Without a doubt! I agree that it is a despicable teaching. It is so extreme a view it makes God less than human. And his sense of justice worse than that of many humans. Can that really be the case? You would have to be a bigot to have such an extreme unreasonable belief. I am not saying that to call you names, just to help you reason that it is a bigoted view, that is it isn't a reasonable belief to have.

When God's word says:

"The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness,  and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be."-Matthew 13:41-42

This is referring to the time that God will met out justice upon false religion. So the people doing the weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will still be alive on earth. Why are they doing that? Revelation tells us that it will be because they see God's judgement has come upon them and they will not be able to escape it:

"Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.16And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,17because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”-Revelation 6:15-17

You see at that time adherents to false religion will have to flee from her in order to remain alive. But they will find no relief in atheistic nationalism which will also be done away with at Armageddon. They will see the sign of the son of man in the heavens, and will know their judgement has come. They will not escape God's executionary angels.

The fact they will be pitched into a fiery furnace is in that they will be completely destroyed. Just as fire destroys completely:

"These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones."-2 Thessalonians 1:9-10.

Something that is destroyed does not exist.

So that same firey destruction is the one that is referred to that Satan and all the wicked after the thousand-year-rule of Christ will go to:

"And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.  Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire."-Revelation 20:14-15.

Fire here represents complete destruction. The scripture itself tells us what the "lake of fire" means. It means the second death. The first death is the one that was just talked about in the previous verse:

"And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds."-Revelation 20:13.

Those sleeping in the Grave (or Hell as some translations call it) will be resurrected. They will be taught the truth. Then after Satan is let lose from the abyss they will be judged according to the final test. Those who rebel will not go back to the Grave, or the Hell. They will be thrown into the lake of fire. That is they will be destroyed forever, they will receive the second death, from which there is no resurrection.

Today, Spiderman, those in that prophecy in Matthew that Jesus talks about, those who go to the fiery furnace go directly to eternal destruction, the second death. They will NOT be resurrected.

It will be as the scripture I quoted you at 2 Thessalonians 1:9-10 "everlasting destruction."

That is why Jesus said:

"And do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Ge·henʹna."-Matthew 10:28.


Gehenna was a valley where the smoke always ascended because that is where they took their refuse to burn. What happens to that garbage that was burned? It was destroyed, it ceased to exist. Those thrown into Gehenna, the lake of fire, will be destroyed completely and forever. There is never a hope of them to live again.

There is no Hellfire, where people will be alive and suffer eternally. Reason with what I showed you with the bigoted, unreasonable teaching false religion has given you.
And after God put Satan in an abyss, why does he let him back out to harm and kill people and deceive people! It's because God loves to see people deceived, harmed, and loves to see falsehoods spread throughout the world!

Why would God release the devil from the abyss to hurt people, murder people, deceive people, and cause false religions,! It's because God wants it! The book of Isaiah says God creates evil!


The Bible promotes belief in people being tossed into a lake of fire, and wailing and gnashing their teeth as punishment after death, and the wicked being judged and going off to eternal punishment!

I didn't say I believe in or support people burning in hell forever! The Bible however does support such things, and Christians for over 1500 years believed it to be true!

If God let them all go astray and believe falsehood for that long, that makes God look like a very lousy shepherd who doesn't love or care about people! Thank you so much, for all the depressing things you tell me about how God cannot be trusted!

Indeed, I hope that hell is not eternal, or that there isn't such a punishment! But you are being extremely unbiblical in so many of your beliefs that you have shared with me, it's not even funny! You can find a few verses that say that God destroys the soul, but there's all kinds of Bible verses that say all kinds of things that are opposite of what other verses say!

Jesus said if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out, better to enter Heaven missing an eye, then to be tossed into Gehenna, where the worm death not die. I wonder why the worm does not die there? And scripture talks about torment that doesn't end as well!

When the rich man was in hades, he was asking for water to be placed on his tongue, cuz he could be feeling the heat of flames, and he was tormented, and wanted to warn his relatives of the place of torment! Jesus would not have given that parable to deceive everybody, into believing in a place of torment, if no such place of torment exists!

And yes, your belief that Catholics pray to devils and demons and worship demons, is an extremely bigoted, disrespectful, hateful, judgmental, and condemning belief! And the god you preach is not the god found in Scripture anyways!

As I said before, the god in scripture kills people for working on the wrong day of the week! What would we think if America killed people for working on the wrong day of the week? We would think that was extremely crazy, extremely atrocious, extremely sick, extremely wrong, extremely foul, extremely disgusting!

Getting stoned to death is a painful, scary, violent way to die! God approved of it!

God approved of Israelites going into cities, and killing all the people that weren't virgins, and taking the frightened traumatized virgins who witnessed their family , relatives, and friends get violently murdered, and then be taken away as sex slaves and property!

God and scripture approves of this barbaric treatment of people! That's why scripture is dangerous and outdated!


The god of scripture approves of slavery! So I'm just pointing out the facts! I'm not approving of them!

If pointing out pure hatred and cruelty makes me a bigot, then I suppose everybody who opposed hatred and bigotry, is a bigot, along with anyone who has a charitable, kind heart, and objects to evil in our world, atrocities, oppression, and killing people for stupid minor things!

If God would actually be kind to people, I wouldn't have a problem with him, and I would praise and thank him all the time, put him first in all things!

But God gave me a conscience to know right from wrong! And the Bible contains some of the most disgusting crimes, mass exterminations per capita that I have ever heard of, attributed to God!

I have never seen such sick foul and disgusting acts committed by any person that the Bible says that God is guilty of! I read the Bible from Genesis to the Book of Revelation and I wanted to vomit at all the atrocities that are attributed to God!

Fortunately, the Bible also says God repents of the evil he plans on doing to people, and the Bible says God changes his mind!

He may have changed a lot in the past couple thousand years!


I hope that through prayer I can get God to change his mind and actually be nice to people! But you should stop using the Bible to judge and condemn other denominations, because you don't even follow the bible!
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
And after God put Satan in an abyss, why does he let him back out to harm and kill people and deceive people! It's because God loves to see people deceived, harmed, and loves to see falsehoods spread throughout the world!

Why would God release the devil from the abyss to hurt people, murder people, deceive people, and cause false religions,! It's because God wants it! The book of Isaiah says God creates evil!


The Bible promotes belief in people being tossed into a lake of fire, and wailing and gnashing their teeth as punishment after death, and the wicked being judged and going off to eternal punishment!

I didn't say I believe in or support people burning in hell forever! The Bible however does support such things, and Christians forever over 1500 years believed it to be true!

If God let them all go astray and believe falsehood for that long, that makes God look like a very lousy shepherd who doesn't love or care about people! Thank you so much, for all the depressing things you tell me about how God cannot be trusted!

Indeed, I hope that hell is not eternal, or that there isn't such a punishment! But you are being extremely unbiblical in so many of your beliefs that you have shared with me, it's not even funny! You can find a few verses that say that God destroys the soul, but there's all kinds of Bible verses that say all kinds of things that are opposite of what other verses say!

Jesus said if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out, better to enter Heaven missing an eye, then to be tossed into Gehenna, where the worm death not die. I wonder why the worm does not die there? And scripture talks about torment that doesn't end as well!

When the rich man was in hades, he was asking for water to be placed on his tongue, cuz he could be feeling the heat of flames, and he was tormented, and wanted to warn his relatives of the place of torment! Jesus would not have given that parable to deceive everybody, into believing in a place of torment, if no such place of torment exists!

And yes, your belief that Catholics pray to devils and demons and worship demons, is an extremely bigoted, disrespectful, hateful, judgmental, and condemning belief! And the god you preach is not the god found in Scripture anyways!

As I said before, the god in scripture kills people for working on the wrong day of the week! What would we think if America killed people for working on the wrong day of the week? We would think that was extremely crazy, extremely atrocious, extremely sick, extremely wrong, extremely foul, extremely disgusting!

Getting stoned to death is a painful, scary, violent way to die! God approved of it!

God approved of Israelites going into cities, and killing all the people that weren't virgins, and taking the frightened traumatized virgins who witnessed their family , relatives, and friends get violently murdered, and then be taken away as sex slaves and property!

God and scripture approves of this barbaric treatment of people! That's why scripture is dangerous and outdated!


The god of scripture approves of slavery! So I'm just pointing out the facts! I'm not approving of them!

If pointing out pure hatred and cruelty makes me a bigot, then I suppose everybody who opposed hatred and bigotry, is a bigot, along with anyone who has a charitable, kind heart, and objects to evil in our world, atrocities, oppression, and killing people for stupid minor things!

If God would actually be kind to people, I wouldn't have a problem with him, and I would praise and thank him all the time, put in first in all things!

But God gave me a conscience to know right from wrong! And the Bible contains some of the most disgusting crimes, mass exterminations per capita that I have ever heard of, attributed to God!

I have never seen such sick foul and disgusting acts committed by any person that the Bible says that God is guilty of! I read the Bible from Genesis to the Book of Revelation and I wanted to vomit at all the atrocities that are attributed to God!

Fortunately, the Bible also says God repents of the evil he plans on doing to people, and the Bible says God changes his mind!

He may have changed a lot in the past couple thousand years!


I hope that through prayer I can get God to change his mind and actually be nice to people! But you should stop using the Bible to judge and condemn other denominations, because you don't even follow the bible!

Part of God's condemnation of the wicked is his word. That is also part of the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth of the wicked ones who are fake Christians.

"And locusts came out of the smoke onto the earth, and authority was given to them, the same authority that the scorpions of the earth have.  They were told not to harm the vegetation of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

 And it was granted the locusts, not to kill them, but to torment them five months, and their torment was like torment by a scorpion when it strikes a person.  In those days people will seek death but will by no means find it, and they will long to die, but death will flee from them
."-Revelation 9:3-6.


"Notice that this plague is not directed first against the people or prominent ones among them—the ‘vegetation and trees of the earth.’ (Compare Revelation 8:7.) The locusts are to harm only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads, those in Christendom who claim to be sealed but whose record belies that claim. (Ephesians 1:13, 14) Thus, the tormenting utterances of these modern-day locusts were directed first against the religious leaders of Christendom. How these self-assuming men must have been tormented at hearing it publicly announced that not only were they failing to lead their flocks to heaven but they themselves would not get there! Truly, it has been a case of ‘the blind leading the blind’!—Matthew 15:14.

11 The torment lasts for five months. Is that a relatively short time? Not from the point of view of a literal locust. Five months describes the normal life span of one of these insects. Therefore, it is for as long as they live that the modern-day locusts keep stinging God’s enemies. Moreover, the torment is so severe that men seek to die. True, we have no record that any of those who were stung by the locusts actually tried to kill themselves. But the expression helps us to picture the intensity of the torment—as though by the relentless assault of scorpions. It is like the suffering foreseen by Jeremiah for those unfaithful Israelites who would be scattered by the Babylonian conquerors and for whom death would be preferable to life.—Jeremiah 8:3; see also Ecclesiastes 4:2, 3.

12 Why is it granted to torment these ones, in a spiritual sense, and not to kill them? This is an initial woe in the exposing of the lies of Christendom and her failures, but only later, as the Lord’s day progresses, will her deathlike spiritual state be fully publicized. It will be during a second woe that a third of the men are killed
.—Revelation 1:10; 9:12, 18; 11:14....

What a remarkable appearance those locusts have! John describes it: “And the likenesses of the locusts resembled horses prepared for battle; and upon their heads were what seemed to be crowns like gold, and their faces were as men’s faces, but they had hair as women’s hair. And their teeth were as those of lions; and they had breastplates like iron breastplates. And the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running into battle.”—Revelation 9:7-9.

14 This well illustrates the loyal group of revived Christians in 1919. Like horses, they were ready for battle, eager to fight for the truth in the way described by the apostle Paul. (Ephesians 6:11-13; 2 Corinthians 10:4) On their heads John sees what seem to be crowns as of gold. It would not be proper for them to have actual crowns because they do not begin ruling while they are still on earth. (1 Corinthians 4:8; Revelation 20:4) But in 1919 they already had a royal appearance. They were brothers of the King, and their heavenly crowns were reserved for them provided they continued faithful to the end.—2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4.

15 In the vision, the locusts have iron breastplates, symbolizing unbreakable righteousness. (Ephesians 6:14-18) They also have men’s faces, this feature pointing to the quality of love, since man was made in the image of God, who is love. (Genesis 1:26; 1 John 4:16) Their hair is long like a woman’s, which well pictures subjection to their King, the angel of the abyss. And their teeth resemble a lion’s teeth. A lion uses its teeth to tear meat. From 1919 onward, the John class has again been able to take in solid spiritual food, particularly the truths about God’s Kingdom ruled by “the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah,” Jesus Christ. Just as the lion symbolizes courage, so great courage has been needed to digest this hard-hitting message, to bring it forth in publications, and to distribute it around the globe. Those figurative locusts have made a lot of noise, like “the sound of chariots of many horses running into battle.” After the example of first-century Christians, they do not intend to stay quiet.—1 Corinthians 11:7-15; Revelation 5:5.

16 This preaching involves more than the spoken word! “Also, they have tails and stings like scorpions; and in their tails is their authority to hurt the men five months.” (Revelation 9:10) What could this mean? As they go about their Kingdom work, Jehovah’s Witnesses, using the spoken word and printed publications, issue authoritative statements based on God’s Word. Their message has a scorpionlike sting because they warn of Jehovah’s approaching day of vengeance. (Isaiah 61:2) Before the present generation of spiritual locusts lives out its life span, its divinely ordained work of declaring Jehovah’s judgments will be completed—to the hurt of all stiff-necked blasphemers.


 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
@Sgt. Pepper , I look up to you. :) Do you have anything to add to that?, as I feel your pain, spending over a decade praying to our God that your abuse would stop, and he could have effortlessly intervened to help you, and countless hundreds of millions of people going through similar or worse suffering, who pray to him for help, and receive nothing!

I don't have much else to add to your commentary, my friend, other than I believe that the Christian God is a sadistic psychopathic bloodthirsty tyrannical monster, who guilty of immeasurable crimes against humanity and is guilty of committing global genocide.

As you well know, I've posted my personal disdain towards the Christian God in other threads, and I have explained why I feel this absolute disdain towards him. Thank you for including me in your post, by the way. FWIW, I think you're spot on in your posts like this one and others similar to it. I would like to encourage you to keep it up and don't let anyone discourage you. Peace, my friend.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
Part of God's condemnation of the wicked is his word. That is also part of the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth of the wicked ones who are fake Christians.

"And locusts came out of the smoke onto the earth, and authority was given to them, the same authority that the scorpions of the earth have.  They were told not to harm the vegetation of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

 And it was granted the locusts, not to kill them, but to torment them five months, and their torment was like torment by a scorpion when it strikes a person.  In those days people will seek death but will by no means find it, and they will long to die, but death will flee from them
."-Revelation 9:3-6.


"Notice that this plague is not directed first against the people or prominent ones among them—the ‘vegetation and trees of the earth.’ (Compare Revelation 8:7.) The locusts are to harm only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads, those in Christendom who claim to be sealed but whose record belies that claim. (Ephesians 1:13, 14) Thus, the tormenting utterances of these modern-day locusts were directed first against the religious leaders of Christendom. How these self-assuming men must have been tormented at hearing it publicly announced that not only were they failing to lead their flocks to heaven but they themselves would not get there! Truly, it has been a case of ‘the blind leading the blind’!—Matthew 15:14.

11 The torment lasts for five months. Is that a relatively short time? Not from the point of view of a literal locust. Five months describes the normal life span of one of these insects. Therefore, it is for as long as they live that the modern-day locusts keep stinging God’s enemies. Moreover, the torment is so severe that men seek to die. True, we have no record that any of those who were stung by the locusts actually tried to kill themselves. But the expression helps us to picture the intensity of the torment—as though by the relentless assault of scorpions. It is like the suffering foreseen by Jeremiah for those unfaithful Israelites who would be scattered by the Babylonian conquerors and for whom death would be preferable to life.—Jeremiah 8:3; see also Ecclesiastes 4:2, 3.

12 Why is it granted to torment these ones, in a spiritual sense, and not to kill them? This is an initial woe in the exposing of the lies of Christendom and her failures, but only later, as the Lord’s day progresses, will her deathlike spiritual state be fully publicized. It will be during a second woe that a third of the men are killed
.—Revelation 1:10; 9:12, 18; 11:14....

What a remarkable appearance those locusts have! John describes it: “And the likenesses of the locusts resembled horses prepared for battle; and upon their heads were what seemed to be crowns like gold, and their faces were as men’s faces, but they had hair as women’s hair. And their teeth were as those of lions; and they had breastplates like iron breastplates. And the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running into battle.”—Revelation 9:7-9.

14 This well illustrates the loyal group of revived Christians in 1919. Like horses, they were ready for battle, eager to fight for the truth in the way described by the apostle Paul. (Ephesians 6:11-13; 2 Corinthians 10:4) On their heads John sees what seem to be crowns as of gold. It would not be proper for them to have actual crowns because they do not begin ruling while they are still on earth. (1 Corinthians 4:8; Revelation 20:4) But in 1919 they already had a royal appearance. They were brothers of the King, and their heavenly crowns were reserved for them provided they continued faithful to the end.—2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4.

15 In the vision, the locusts have iron breastplates, symbolizing unbreakable righteousness. (Ephesians 6:14-18) They also have men’s faces, this feature pointing to the quality of love, since man was made in the image of God, who is love. (Genesis 1:26; 1 John 4:16) Their hair is long like a woman’s, which well pictures subjection to their King, the angel of the abyss. And their teeth resemble a lion’s teeth. A lion uses its teeth to tear meat. From 1919 onward, the John class has again been able to take in solid spiritual food, particularly the truths about God’s Kingdom ruled by “the Lion that is of the tribe of Judah,” Jesus Christ. Just as the lion symbolizes courage, so great courage has been needed to digest this hard-hitting message, to bring it forth in publications, and to distribute it around the globe. Those figurative locusts have made a lot of noise, like “the sound of chariots of many horses running into battle.” After the example of first-century Christians, they do not intend to stay quiet.—1 Corinthians 11:7-15; Revelation 5:5.

16 This preaching involves more than the spoken word! “Also, they have tails and stings like scorpions; and in their tails is their authority to hurt the men five months.” (Revelation 9:10) What could this mean? As they go about their Kingdom work, Jehovah’s Witnesses, using the spoken word and printed publications, issue authoritative statements based on God’s Word. Their message has a scorpionlike sting because they warn of Jehovah’s approaching day of vengeance. (Isaiah 61:2) Before the present generation of spiritual locusts lives out its life span, its divinely ordained work of declaring Jehovah’s judgments will be completed—to the hurt of all stiff-necked blasphemers.

Jehovah's witnesses are a tiny group with an extremely depressing message, a message that makes God look terrible, and unbiblical solascriptura Doctrine, using an outdated ancient text as the Only rule of faith, when the Bible doesn't say anywhere to do that, using a text that is full of hatred, glorifies wars of aggression, a text that's glorifies slavery, curses descendants of people for the sins of their parents, a text that permits taking virgins as sex slaves after killing their friends and family, a text that attributes the worst crimes I've ever heard of, (crimes worse than Charles Manson or any serial killer, ) and attributes those crimes to God, a text that says God is a baby killer, (a child killer, a pregnant lady killer,)...

... and Jehovah's witnesses use that violent , hateful, cruel, judgemental, condemning text, as the Only rule for their faith, while they ignore many passages in that text, they do the opposite of many passages in that text, and they preach a depressing message that God just lets everybody be deceived, refuses to let people know the truth, and let every Church on Earth go astray for over 1500 years!

....The message that Jehovah's witnesses give is that God is untrustworthy, and it is the most depressing stuff I've ever heard! Jehovah's witnesses speak about other Christian denominations in disgusting ways, and say that Catholics, eastern Orthodox churches, and other Christians worship devils and demons!

Jehovah's witnesses are an unbiblical religion that believe Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel!

Jehovah's witnesses invented their own Bible and changed every last supper account the wording in it, to mean something totally different!

At every last supper account Jesus said "this is my body this is my blood". In John chapter 6 Jesus said, "unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man, you have no life in you! "

That is an extremely important teaching and was not the language of symbolism!

If I was the devil, I would want Jehovah's witnesses to lead people away from the sacraments to murder souls and confuse people! Because Jesus taught that people without the sacraments are completely spiritually bankrupt!


Jehovah's witnesses believe that Christmas and celebrating your birthday , and many holidays , are abominations, or they act like they are sinful to celebrate!

I already struggled with thoughts of suicide! If I believed the depressing Jehovah's witness religion was actually true, I would probably be over 20 times more likely to kill myself!

Jehovah's witnesses teach doctrines that are so thoroughly depressing and nauseating to me so much, and they are so judgmental and condemning of other people, ( calling most Christians pagan devil worshipers full of abominations), that if I believed such things were true, I would hate this world we live in so much more, and want to die so much more!

Fortunately, the Bible proves that the Jehovah's witnesses are a false religion anyways! ;)
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
I don't have much else to add to your commentary, my friend, other than I believe that the Christian God is a sadistic psychopathic bloodthirsty tyrannical monster, who guilty of immeasurable crimes against humanity and is guilty of committing global genocide.

As you well know, I've posted my personal disdain towards the Christian God in other threads, and I have explained why I feel this absolute disdain towards him. Thank you for including me in your post, by the way. FWIW, I think you're spot on in your posts like this one and others similar to it. I would like to encourage you to keep it up and don't let anyone discourage you. Peace, my friend.
Thank you! You are nicer than the God portrayed by the Bible, BY FAR! :)

Who knows though. Maybe he has changed his ways, changed his mind, reformed, had a change of heart, repented, and is rehabilitating! ;)
 
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