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Christian Warfare

Audie

Veteran Member
I have not argued that men

and women are equal, except 'in Christ'. 'In Christ' is not equivalent to 'in Christianity'. 'In Christ' means sharing the same Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

What kind of equality do you seek for women?

I think that adequately expresses my complaint about sexism in chtistianity w/o further comment.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

That does not remotely imply this:

So he obviously was quite familiar with Jesus' teachings and agreed with them,

I like characters in books that I would never ever agree with. Some I dislike but would agree with, at least on some things. I think that is an absurdly tenuous leap from the first quote to the second.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
What it was about is not relevant to whether or not he committed violence. A violent action is a violent action whether it is justified or not.

Indeed, isn't the point that it was claimed he preached non-violence even when it was justified? It'd be pretty lame to preach non-violence only when violence was not justified, not much remarkable in that one would think.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Mao did far more for women than 2000 years of spiritual nation
I think I see your ^ above ^ point and I think we need to consider after Jesus' died a great-spiritual apostasy set in.
Gospel writer Luke informed us false clergy dressed in sheep's clothing would fleece the flock of God.- Acts 20:29-30
So, 'Christendom' ( so-called Christian ) is Not the ' spiritual nation ' of 1 Peter 2:9.
They are part of the MANY who 'come in Jesus' name' and prove false as recorded at Matthew 7:21-23
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Every one thinks they are the true Scotsmen.
Why else would a person belong to a religion unless they believed it was the right one ?
If they can't answer they are satisfied with what they have.
Jesus forewarned MANY would be on the wrong road - Matthew 7:13-14
That does Not make the narrow road as wrong, but makes the spacious road leading to destruction as wrong.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Baloney. I am sure that you can find pockets of the world where that may is true. I can think of a few. But for the most part when Christians complain that they are being ordered to stop speaking they are simply not being afforded a place of privilege over everyone else. Like with the alleged war on Christmas.
I suppose one can call Russia as a pocket of the world because Christians are banned and or jailed.
I wonder if the political were to ban Christmas just how many would openly celebrate it _______
After all, Christmas is a non-Christian celebration just with Christian names wrongly attached.
If banned, how many would still hang up or put up Christmas ornaments _______
Even if it meant being fined or going to jail, how many would be faithful enough to openly celebrate their faith ______
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The reality, boots on the ground, is that
on racism and womens rights the church is # 1 flop.

Yes, 'Christendom' (Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30) is a flop, a BIG apostate flop.
That does Not make genuine 'wheat' Christianity as wrong, but makes the fake 'weed/tares' Christians as wrong.
Their disobedience is why 'house' cleaning will start with the 'house of God' - 1 Peter 4:17
In other words, when the political turns on the religious world it will start with 'Christendom' who claims to be the spiritual 'house of God'.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
.........What do you think Jeremiah 31:31-34 is all about? Has it yet happened to lsrael?

Since Pentecost I find the Israel of God is ' spiritual Israel ' meaning the Christian congregation.
Jerusalem ' above ' is now the seat of government - Galatians 4:26.
So, the NEW covenant of Jeremiah 31:31 is the blood of the covenant of Jesus - Matthew 26:28.
See also Luke 22:20 as to what means the NEW covenant and 1 Corinthians 11:25; Hebrews 8:8-12.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
I suppose one can call Russia as a pocket of the world because Christians are banned and or jailed.
Is all that you mean is that the religious cannot proselytize in Russia? That is what you call persecutions?! And specifically of Christians?

No. There are people who are actually dealing with persecution in this world. Christians included. If you are going to reference persecutions try not to be so Beverly Hills about it.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Is all that you mean is that the religious cannot proselytize in Russia? That is what you call persecutions?! And specifically of Christians?
No. There are people who are actually dealing with persecution in this world. Christians included. If you are going to reference persecutions try not to be so Beverly Hills about it.

Many Christians have been or are in Russian jails because of preaching in Russia.
No Beverly Hills about it. Christians in Russian jails.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Besides Jesus being a figurative door, I find Jesus is a figurative vine, lamp, shepherd, cornerstone, bridegroom and bread of life ( figurative Manna )......

Nope, literal or lie.
I heard about that.

Next thing you know, hills clapping
will be figurative, then the flood:
a slippery slope till everything spins seemingly out of control.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Jesus delivered the new covenant in his own person. He said, Follow me!

Just because Jesus did not write the words contained in the Gospels does not mean that the Gospel accounts are not accurate or true.

If you believe the life of Jesus to be a fictional account, then you are forced to make similar accusations against the Hebrew scriptures, which contain prophecies of Christ.

How far down this road are you prepared to go? Each time you call a prophet, or eyewitness, a liar you also demonstrate your own lack of faith in God.

IMO, you must either accept all of scripture (the Bible) as true, or reject it all as a lie. Which is it to be?
" Jesus delivered the new covenant in his own person. He said, Follow me! "

Is one hiding, one would say, under lame excuses, please?
If it is not written by Jesus that mean it was not written by Jesus. No, never no.
Jesus did not even dictate anything to a scribe verbally. Did he, please? No, never no. All what was written down " in the name of Jesus" is therefore holds no water. Okay, please?
Jesus did not even authorize anybody to write on his behalf. Right?
It is a stark accusation, one would say, on the truthful and innocent Jesus that he founded the Pauline-Christianity, it was founded by tricky Paul, please. Agree?
Pauline-Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus and his teachings, please. Does one accept it, please?

Regards
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Since Pentecost I find the Israel of God is ' spiritual Israel ' meaning the Christian congregation.
Jerusalem ' above ' is now the seat of government - Galatians 4:26.
So, the NEW covenant of Jeremiah 31:31 is the blood of the covenant of Jesus - Matthew 26:28.
See also Luke 22:20 as to what means the NEW covenant and 1 Corinthians 11:25; Hebrews 8:8-12.
The new covenant is the covenant of Jesus Christ, but lsrael has yet to be grafted back in to the body of Christ - Romans 11.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
As a reader I know past tense relates to the story.

So I never needed to read it as it had been summarised already.

No man is God.

Never give earth O first God any names for science. Otherwise by book we will lose DNA genesis.

Book shut.

False preaching began. After the shroud Turin irradiation.

Book re opened man wanted to rebuild the destroyed temple sciences.

Theme. How did Phi fallout stopped own proof? A man said by science teaching if you continue to use it it will attack your temple. And it did.

Temple wasn't rebuilt. A church was.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
" Jesus delivered the new covenant in his own person. He said, Follow me! "

Is one hiding, one would say, under lame excuses, please?
If it is not written by Jesus that mean it was not written by Jesus. No, never no.
Jesus did not even dictate anything to a scribe verbally. Did he, please? No, never no. All what was written down " in the name of Jesus" is therefore holds no water. Okay, please?
Jesus did not even authorize anybody to write on his behalf. Right?
It is a stark accusation, one would say, on the truthful and innocent Jesus that he founded the Pauline-Christianity, it was founded by tricky Paul, please. Agree?
Pauline-Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus and his teachings, please. Does one accept it, please?

Regards
I don't think you understand the nature of the new covenant.

Like a will, it does not come in to effect until after the death of the testator. This makes the Gospels a crossroads between the OT and the NT.

In the Gospels we see Jesus fulfil the law, demonstrating that he is the righteousness of God. This righteousness is spiritual, and is poured out as a gift to the believers at Pentecost (book of Acts).

If you want to know whether the words of Jesus Christ are true, then look for evidence of the Holy Spirit! If you find the Holy Spirit, then you have evidence that everything Jesus (is recorded as having) said must be true.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
As a reader I know past tense relates to the story.

So I never needed to read it as it had been summarised already.

No man is God.

Never give earth O first God any names for science. Otherwise by book we will lose DNA genesis.

Book shut.

False preaching began. After the shroud Turin irradiation.

Book re opened man wanted to rebuild the destroyed temple sciences.

Theme. How did Phi fallout stopped own proof? A man said by science teaching if you continue to use it it will attack your temple. And it did.

Temple wasn't rebuilt. A church was.
Holy mother X three. Holy ceremony church healing X three.

Humans gas burnt. Were healed by bathing holy water.. aloe water. Holy oil balms. Incense frankincense myrrh against cancer and irradiating effects.

Were healed. Eyes shut by fused burning eyes opened in healing was an after the event summation of what Jesus human healer taught applied.

As the book was written when the church had been built as a historic summation of advices. Knowing men demanded records to be kept of historic events

You misread how it was taught.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
As a reader I know past tense relates to the story.

So I never needed to read it as it had been summarised already.

No man is God.

Never give earth O first God any names for science. Otherwise by book we will lose DNA genesis.

Book shut.

False preaching began. After the shroud Turin irradiation.

Book re opened man wanted to rebuild the destroyed temple sciences.

Theme. How did Phi fallout stopped own proof? A man said by science teaching if you continue to use it it will attack your temple. And it did.

Temple wasn't rebuilt. A church was.
Holy mother X three. Holy ceremony church healing X three.

Humans gas burnt. Were healed by bathing holy water.. aloe water. Holy oil balms. Incense frankincense myrrh against cancer and irradiating effects.

Were healed. Eyes shut by fused burning eyes opened in healing was an after the event summation of what Jesus human healer taught applied.

As the book was written when the church had been built as a historic summation of advices. Knowing men demanded records to be kept of historic events

You misread how it was taught.
 
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