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I would say that lbgtq rights are right there along with race and women. But, yes. Totally.The reality, boots on the ground, is that
on racism and womens rights the church is # 1 flop.
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I would say that lbgtq rights are right there along with race and women. But, yes. Totally.The reality, boots on the ground, is that
on racism and womens rights the church is # 1 flop.
Again. I don't think that she's asking how you interpret the Bible.Reality I find shows us Jesus' recorded
Again. I don't think that she's asking how you interpret the Bible.
I want this on a t-shirt. Or a mug. Or emblazoned on the side of a huge mountain.EVery one thinks they are the true Scotsmen.
Mug is bestI want this on a t-shirt. Or a mug. Or emblazoned on the side of a huge mountain.
" It's important to distinguish between the OT and the NT. "It's important to distinguish between the OT and the NT.
Peter did take a sword with him to Gethsemane, where the arrest of Jesus occurred. When the temple guard approached Jesus, Peter cut off the ear of High Priest's servant, which Jesus then healed.
For Peter, these events took place under the old covenant. Jesus is the mediator between the old and new covenants, and the NT (covenant) did not come into effect until the day of Pentecost.
I agree, but avoiding a physical intervention would appear impossible in many cases.I want to intervene in any situation where l see a violent injustice against a human, or inhumane treatment of an animal!
My objective is always be to prevent the suffering of the victim without inflicting physical injury on the perpetrator.
What l am saying is that, in Christ (the NT) Gentiles are accepted on equal terms to Jews.
I think it's wrong to make blanket judgements about people in the way you do here.Opinions differ on "Christian" nations.
See "divine right of kings"
What christian organization, which group
of christians ever recognized women as equal?
In Chinese culture we recognize the difference
between sweet words and action.
We dont for example go in for romantic love
and sayings.
Love is in what you do.
I see little or no recognitiin of equality
for women in the bible, quite the opposite.
And as for Christian treatment of women?
Ha.
( what is it btw with the word " flesh" that is so much used by
Christians ?)
This is a misunderstanding of the new covenant.And what I'm saying is that the only thing keeping you from being 'on equal terms to Jews' is your
own refusal to become Jews, and embrace the Covenant of Mt. Sinai just like the Mixed Multitude.
Who came out of Egypt with the Jews. Once they accepted G-d's Covenant there was no difference
between them and the Jews born of Abraham's seed. All were in the Covenant.
But you go ahead and follow the Covenant of Paul, and reject G-d's Torah.
See my sig below, Yeshua's own words.
Jesus delivered the new covenant in his own person. He said, Follow me!paarsurrey said: ↑
Christian Warfare
I quote here from Pauline-Christian Bible:
Luke 22:36-38
King James Version
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 22:36-38 - King James Version
Right?
" It's important to distinguish between the OT and the NT. "
Did Jesus distinguish between the OT and the NT, please. Right?
If yes, then please quote from Jesus' writing in first person for such claim, please. Right?
Also if he gave some reasons in this connection, please. Right? I don't think we can put words into Jesus' mouth for claims and the reasons thereof, please. Right?
Regards
That's exactly my point!In Bible speak, I find that since Pentecost God deals with the 'Christian congregation' as a 'spiritual nation' no matter where the congregation is located on Earth.
In other words, God's 'spiritual nation' (Christian cong.) has No boundaries, No borders that can be found located on any map.
I think it's wrong to make blanket judgements about people in the way you do here.
There are differences between individuals, but the call to all believers in Jesus Christ is to be of one mind and Spirit.
Jesus delivered the new covenant in his own person. He said, Follow me!
Just because Jesus did not write the words contained in the Gospels does not mean that the Gospel accounts are not accurate or true.
If you believe the life of Jesus to be a fictional account, then you are forced to make similar accusations against the Hebrew scriptures, which contain prophecies of Christ.
How far down this road are you prepared to go? Each time you call a prophet, or eyewitness, a liar you also demonstrate your own lack of faith in God.
IMO, you must either accept all of scripture (the Bible) as true, or reject it all as a lie. Which is it to be?
This is a misunderstanding of the new covenant
....
The transition from the covenant of law to the covenant of grace is a change from man's righteousness to God's righteousness. Since man cannot DO God's righteousness, it comes to us by faith as the gift of Holy Spirit. This is what Jesus Christ came to bring. It's the only way a man's heart can be changed to enable him to be truly righteous, for all men are sinners.
No, again, this is not accurate.And this is the typical misunderstanding of G-d's Covenant on Mt. Sinai. "man cannot DO God's
righteousness" The stance that it's an impossible mission, doomed to fail. G-d himself says this isn't true...
Deuteronomy 30:12-14
"It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?' Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it? No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it."
That is Yeshua's whole message, IMO. Where is your heart. A right heart is an obedient heart.
'Grace' does not absolve one from just throwing up your hands and saying, "I can't do it!"
G-d clearly disputes this. No, Grace picks you up and puts you back on your feet when you fail.
For you will fail. All of Yeshua's words in Matthew point your feet towards the Law and proper
obedience with a proper heart. But Paul's words point you away, says 'don't even try'.
Are you asking me whether Jesus 'is a door'?All true?
Jesus is a door.
True or a lie.
Which is it.
No, again, this is not accurate.
These are the words of Paul, Romans 10:1-4.....
Enoch. But that has no bearing on Grace or Repentance .If men under the law were able to be sinless then they would have achieved God's righteousness, but they have not. Can you name me one individual who did not sin?
Are Gentiles mentioned there? No.What do you think Jeremiah 31:31-34 is all about?
I have not argued that men and women are equal, except 'in Christ'. 'In Christ' is not equivalent to 'in Christianity'. 'In Christ' means sharing the same Spirit, the Holy Spirit.Show me the blanket judgementmof
people you pretend I am making. Quote the words.
I very specifically identified the failure
of Christianity. Not individuals.
Its nice that Christianity calls on people to
be nice
Individuals act as it suits them.
After 2000 years the church has had its chance to show that its members treat women as equals.
Women have gained more rights in the last 100
years but the church sure didnt lead the way..
So terrif that the church " calls". Talk is cheap.
I'm not attempting to 'prove Paul'. It's not about Paul but about the argument he presents.Do NOT attempt to prove Paul by quoting Paul.
Enoch. But that has no bearing on Grace or Repentance .
Are Gentiles mentioned there? No.