Christian Warfare

[Redemptionsong]

Don't play dumb with me, you very well know. Deuteronomy 29:14 and onward.

What l am saying is that, in Christ (the NT) Gentiles are accepted on equal terms to Jews. Nor is there distinction between men and women in Christ [Galatians 3:28]. The separation of the courts within the temple disappears. There is one Spirit uniting all within the temple.

When Jesus was crucified, the curtain of separation (parochet) was torn from top to bottom, signifying God's opening of access to the Holy of Holies.

That the Holy Ark was not present in the temple of Herod has a spiritual significance. Christ is the true Ark, and he came to his temple [see Malachi 3:1].

 

[ChristineM]

What l am saying is that, in Christ (the NT) Gentiles are accepted on equal terms to Jews. There is also no distinction between men and women in Christ [Galatians 3:28]. The separation of the courts within the temple disappears. There is one Spirit uniting all within the temple.

Are you saying that 85%of the bible, the OT should be ignored bu christians and therefore should not be included in the Christian bible where it can be taught to young, impressionable christians?

 

[Redemptionsong]

Yes, very controversial - death may be imminent on either side, irrespective of the approach taken.
I might venture to say that once one has determined to either raise a family, or hold a political office, then he cannot abide by the principle of turning the other cheek. Of course, that may underscore the fact that Christians should refrain from holding governmental positions.

For example, if one was attacking a man's wife (his own life not being immediately threatened), does he not intervene and apply as much force as necessary to incapacitate the perpetrator?

I want to intervene in any situation where l see a violent injustice against a human, or inhumane treatment of an animal!

My objective is always be to prevent the suffering of the victim without inflicting physical injury on the perpetrator.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Are you saying that 85%of the bible, the OT should be ignored bu christians and therefore should not be included in the Christian bible where it can be taught to young, impressionable christians?

Christians don't ignore the OT scriptures!

The Hebrew scriptures point towards Christ, and are, therefore, a necessary foundation for all that unfolds in the NT.

 

[ChristineM]

Christians don't ignore the OT scriptures!

The Hebrew scriptures point towards Christ, and are, therefore, a necessary foundation for all that unfolds in the NT.

I have spoken to several Christians who believe otherwise, particularly when arguing of the heinous crimes against humanity commited in the OT

 

[Redemptionsong]

I have spoken to several Christians who believe otherwise, particularly when arguing of the heinous crimes against humanity commited in the OT

I see justice as a framework within which mercy can be applied. Justice is objective (which is why only God can truly judge us) and since no man deserves God's mercy, it comes to us through God's Son, a mediator between God and man.

 

[ChristineM]

I see justice as a framework within which mercy can be applied. Justice is objective (which is why only God can truly judge us) and since no man deserves God's mercy, it comes to us through God's Son, a mediator between God and man.

Jooly good, so long as you are happy.

 

[Audie]

What l am saying is that, in Christ (the NT) Gentiles are accepted on equal terms to Jews. Nor is there distinction between men and women in Christ [Galatians 3:28]. The separation of the courts within the temple disappears. There is one Spirit uniting all within the temple.

When Jesus was crucified, the curtain of separation (parochet) was torn from top to bottom, signifying God's opening of access to the Holy of Holies.

That the Holy Ark was not present in the temple of Herod has a spiritual significance. Christ is the true Ark, and he came to his temple [see Malachi 3:1].

Have women been permitted equal status
in any Christian nation?
A Christian nation that recognized all races
as equal...?

 

[Audie]

Christians don't ignore the OT scriptures!

The Hebrew scriptures point towards Christ, and are, therefore, a necessary foundation for all that unfolds in the NT.

" foundation" is not actually a synonym
for " ignore" though you are using it as if it is,
however unintentionally.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Have women been permitted equal status
in any Christian nation?
A Christian nation that recognized all races
as equal...?

Firstly, there is no such thing as a Christian nation on earth. Nations usually try to follow the 'rule of law'. The idea of the 'rule of law' is to apply justice objectively.

In Christ, male and female are one because the Spirit is one. This is not a statement suggesting that, in the flesh, there are not differences between men and women.

 

[Audie]

Firstly, there is no such thing as a Christian nation on earth. Nations usually try to follow the 'rule of law'. The idea of the 'rule of law' is to apply justice objectively.

In Christ, male and female are one because the Spirit is one. This is not a statement suggesting that, in the flesh, there are not differences between men and women.

Opinions differ on "Christian" nations.

See "divine right of kings"

What christian organization, which group
of christians ever recognized women as equal?

In Chinese culture we recognize the difference
between sweet words and action.

We dont for example go in for romantic love
and sayings.

Love is in what you do.

I see little or no recognitiin of equality
for women in the bible, quite the opposite.

And as for Christian treatment of women?
Ha.

( what is it btw with the word " flesh" that is so much used by
Christians ?)

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Have women been permitted equal status in any Christian nation?A Christian nation that recognized all races as equal...?

In the Bible I find that since Pentecost the Christian congregation is a 'spiritual nation' no matter where on Earth.
As far as equal status Galatians 3:28 says regarding male and female ' all are one in union with Christ Jesus.'

As far as races as equals: Yes, the human race is equal, for God made out of one man (Adam) all races - Acts of the Apostles 17:26-27

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Firstly, there is no such thing as a Christian nation on earth.........

In Bible speak, I find that since Pentecost God deals with the 'Christian congregation' as a 'spiritual nation' no matter where the congregation is located on Earth.
In other words, God's 'spiritual nation' (Christian cong.) has No boundaries, No borders that can be found located on any map.

 

[ppp]

In the Bible I find that since Pentecost the Christian congregation is a 'spiritual nation' no matter where on Earth.
As far as equal status Galatians 3:28 says regarding male and female ' all are one in union with Christ Jesus.'

As far as races as equals: Yes, the human race is equal, for God made out of one man (Adam) all races - Acts of the Apostles 17:26-27

I don't think that she's asking how you interpret the Bible. I think she's asking about the practical reality of the situation on Earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Forbid speaking. That is a pretty weak tea definition of a god.

The 'Caesar's' of this world have banned or tried to ban Christian speech whether by written word or verbally.
When ordered to stop speaking at that point the apostles knew to obey God over man - Acts of the Apostles 5:29

 

[URAVIP2ME]

.......... I think she's asking about the practical reality of the situation on Earth.

Reality I find shows us Jesus' recorded words to be true at Matthew 7:21-23
MANY come in Jesus' name but they prove to be false.
MANY then are on the broad road leading to destruction.
So, the MANY could very well have divisions but the MANY do Not make the Bible as wrong just makes the MANY as wrong.

 

[Audie]

In the Bible I find that since Pentecost the Christian congregation is a 'spiritual nation' no matter where on Earth.
As far as equal status Galatians 3:28 says regarding male and female ' all are one in union with Christ Jesus.'

As far as races as equals: Yes, the human race is equal, for God made out of one man (Adam) all races - Acts of the Apostles 17:26-27

Mao did far more for women than 2000
years of spiritual nation

 

[Audie]

Reality I find shows us Jesus' recorded words to be true at Matthew 7:21-23
MANY come in Jesus' name but they prove to be false.
MANY then are on the broad road leading to destruction.
So, the MANY could very well have divisions but the MANY do Not make the Bible as wrong just makes the MANY as wrong.

EVery one thinks they are the true Scotsmen.

 

[Audie]

I don't think that she's asking how you interpret the Bible. I think she's asking about the practical reality of the situation on Earth.

The reality, boots on the ground, is that
on racism and womens rights the church is # 1 flop.

 

[ppp]

The 'Caesar's' of this world have banned or tried to ban Christian speech whether by written word or verbally.
When ordered to stop speaking at that point the apostles knew to obey God over man - Acts of the Apostles 5:29

Baloney. I am sure that you can find pockets of the world where that may is true. I can think of a few. But for the most part when Christians complain that they are being ordered to stop speaking they are simply not being afforded a place of privilege over everyone else. Like with the alleged war on Christmas.