Christian Warfare

[URAVIP2ME]

If only other Christian throughout history had thought the same there would not gave been so many wars of religion

Luke forewarns us at Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 that after the apostles would be off the scene, then 1st-century Christianity would ' fall asleep ' so to speak, because the apostasy would settle in.
And as Jesus said at Matthew 7:21-23 that MANY would come in his name but prove false.
'Christendom' ( so-called Christian ) the fake 'weed/tares' will come to its end.
In the past God used the political world as His arm of the law such as in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed un-faithful Jerusalem.
So, it should come as No surprise when God once again uses the political as His arm of the law to go up against corrupted religion starting spiritual house cleaning with the falsely claimed religious 'house of God'- 1 Peter 4:17

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So many different kinds of judgement.

Yes, there is personal judgement such as Not to impute a bad or wrong motive to someone.
Then there is God's recorded judgement guideline about His standards and principles.

 

[ppp]

Yes, there is personal judgement such as Not to impute a bad or wrong motive to someone.
Then there is God's recorded judgement guideline about His standards and principles.

And the personal judgement that it is God's recorded judgement. And the personal judgment that the purported judgment is good

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And the personal judgement that it is God's recorded judgement. And the personal judgment that the purported judgment is good

When making a personal judgement of another that is based on opinion and Not on God's judgement on matters as recorded in Scripture. There is a difference.
The old adage goes Not to judge a book by its cover. Don't judge by first impressions.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
If one is a true follower of Jesus and his teachings then one should know that Jesus never wrote Ephesians 6:10-12, please:

"According to tradition, the Apostle Paul wrote the letter while he was in prison in Rome (around AD 62). "
Epistle to the Ephesians - Wikipedia:
Right?

Jesus' holy Spirit really said it all.

How does one know that it was the spirit of Jesus that "said it all"?
And it happened really and or fact-ually? Right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
One means, as I understand, the same Paul who faked a vision with the vested interest of assuming an Apostle of Jesus to convince the credulous ones among the followers of Jesus, one could say:

1. As Jesus did not die on the Cross
2. Jesus did not rise from the dead as he did not die on the Cross, in the first place.
3. Jesus did resurrect to skies as for that purpose he needed not to travel to Galilee.
4. From Galilee Jesus was to travel out of Judea, out of the hands of the Jews and the Romans.

So sorry, I cannot agree with one here. Right?

I'd be happy to discuss all these issues, but maybe on a thread dedicated to accusations against Jesus and Paul.

Did I make any accusation against innocent Jesus, please? Right?
Aren't my remarks/comments about the stories told by Paul and the scribes of the anonymous Gospels, please? Right?
Please get corrected. Right?

Regards

 

[Wildswanderer]

As a follower of Jesus Christ, I am of the belief that I should not fight, or resort to physical violence. At points in the past, as a younger soul, I tried to justify defensive warfare, but as an older person I have become convinced of the rightness of non-violence.

The passage of scripture that plays loudly in my ears is Ephesians 6:10-12. It says,'Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places'.

Some people regard non-violence as a form of cowardice, but my belief is that it is better to sacrifice one's life non-violently, than to sacrifice it attempting to take the lives of others. Jesus set an example of non-violence.

I'm not so naive as to think that there isn't great pain involved in the non-violent response to evil. It raises many difficult questions, but I believe the long term consequences of non-violence benefits all mankind.

What do you think?

I think it would be immoral not to protect the innocent against the evil if needed, even if I had to kill some one to do that.

 

[firedragon]

As a follower of Jesus Christ, I am of the belief that I should not fight, or resort to physical violence. At points in the past, as a younger soul, I tried to justify defensive warfare, but as an older person I have become convinced of the rightness of non-violence.

The passage of scripture that plays loudly in my ears is Ephesians 6:10-12. It says,'Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places'.

Some people regard non-violence as a form of cowardice, but my belief is that it is better to sacrifice one's life non-violently, than to sacrifice it attempting to take the lives of others. Jesus set an example of non-violence.

I'm not so naive as to think that there isn't great pain involved in the non-violent response to evil. It raises many difficult questions, but I believe the long term consequences of non-violence benefits all mankind.

What do you think?

As a Christian or something else, this kind of assertion that "non-violence benefits all mankind" has to be determined after heavy research of maybe 100s or even 1000s of years.

One of the non-violence movements that resulted in a huge revolution would Gandhi against the tyrannical British raj that ruined their country. Speaking to Indians on it they have nuanced view on it. Some claim that this non violence or ahimsa had a seriously detrimental effect on India and its showing even today. But others claim Gandhi was almost divine.

Thats my opinion.

 

[ppp]

When making a personal judgement of another that is based on opinion and Not on God's judgement on matters as recorded in Scripture. There is a difference.

Nope. It is still just your judgment that scripture has anything to do with any existing god what so ever. No difference.

The old adage goes Not to judge a book by its cover. Don't judge by first impressions.

Not relevant to me. Maybe it is relevant to you.

 

[firedragon]

In Christ, mercy is offered to people before judgement finally comes.

Thats incorrect. Supposedly Jesus will come back and order death to all those who don't accept him.

 

[ppp]

Thats incorrect. Supposedly Jesus will come back and order death to all those who don't accept him.

Heh. The Bible is the big book of multiple choice. Didn't you know?

 

[firedragon]

Heh. The Bible is the big book of multiple choice. Didn't you know?

I prefer specific statements.

 

[ppp]

I prefer specific statements.

I am specifically talking about the Bible being mass of conflicting statements. Which is why we can have a Calvinist and a Anglican support their respective conflicting positions on free will from verses in the Bible. Or support the Unitarian versus trinitarian positions on Jesus. Or support slavery versus abolition. Or support Grace versus works. Or support the notion that Jesus is all man or half man, or all man and all God, or completely spiritual... all from different texts in the Bible.

Big book of multiple choice is specific, accurate, dead on, the way that things are.

 

[firedragon]

I am specifically talking about the Bible being mass of conflicting statements. Which is why we can have a Calvinist and a Anglican support their respective conflicting positions on free will from verses in the Bible. Or support the Unitarian versus trinitarian positions on Jesus. Or support slavery versus abolition. Or support Grace versus works. Or support the notion that Jesus is all man or half man, or all man and all God, or completely spiritual... all from different texts in the Bible.

Big book of multiple choice is specific, accurate, dead on, the way that things are.

Okay.

 

[Redemptionsong]

I think it would be immoral not to protect the innocent against the evil if needed, even if I had to kill some one to do that.

There are many ways in which one can offer help and protection without resorting to violence. Have you ever read any books by Richard Wurmbrand or Corrie ten Boom?

 

[Redemptionsong]

As a Christian or something else, this kind of assertion that "non-violence benefits all mankind" has to be determined after heavy research of maybe 100s or even 1000s of years.

One of the non-violence movements that resulted in a huge revolution would Gandhi against the tyrannical British raj that ruined their country. Speaking to Indians on it they have nuanced view on it. Some claim that this non violence or ahimsa had a seriously detrimental effect on India and its showing even today. But others claim Gandhi was almost divine.

Thats my opinion.

Gandhi is an interesting example. He trained as a lawyer in London and he read the New Testament. It's likely that his views on non-violence were influenced by what he read of Jesus.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Thats incorrect. Supposedly Jesus will come back and order death to all those who don't accept him.

There's a time for mercy, which is now, and a time for judgement, which is yet to come.

During the time of mercy, when the forgiveness of sin is available, why shun the opportunity? How is violent behaviour going to persuade someone that God is loving and forgiving?

 

[firedragon]

Gandhi is an interesting example. He trained as a lawyer in London and he read the New Testament. It's likely that his views on non-violence were influenced by what he read of Jesus.

Surprising he didnt read the part in the NT where Jesus would order the death of those who dont follow him.

Any tom, dick or harry who has read anything about Gandhi would know that he was a Hindu. Non-dualist. Had Jain influence. And followed the school of Waishvanism.

Anyway, none of that is relevant to the point I made. Amazing you skipped the whole thing and tried to make a facade case about Gandhi "likely" was influenced by the Bible.

 

[firedragon]

There's a time for mercy, which is now, and a time for judgement, which is yet to come.

During the time of mercy, when the forgiveness of sin is available, why shun the opportunity? How is violent behaviour going to persuade someone that God is loving and forgiving?

So mercy today, murder of all who doesn't follow him tomorrow. Billions will be murdered.

Nice.

 

[oldbadger]

As a follower of Jesus Christ, I am of the belief that I should not fight, or resort to physical violence. At points in the past, as a younger soul, I tried to justify defensive warfare, but as an older person I have become convinced of the rightness of non-violence.

The passage of scripture that plays loudly in my ears is Ephesians 6:10-12. It says,'Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places'.

Some people regard non-violence as a form of cowardice, but my belief is that it is better to sacrifice one's life non-violently, than to sacrifice it attempting to take the lives of others. Jesus set an example of non-violence.

I'm not so naive as to think that there isn't great pain involved in the non-violent response to evil. It raises many difficult questions, but I believe the long term consequences of non-violence benefits all mankind.

What do you think?

The people of Ukraine are mostly Christians. Are you telling them to lay down?

And you quote Paul, not Jesus, who urged his men to arm themselves, and who will return with sword flicking from his mouth.