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Paul - An Apostle?

Was Paul a true Christian?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 74.1%
  • No

    Votes: 6 22.2%
  • I would like to know

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • Total voters
    27

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Paul himself was forgiven, but the stain of his previous sin was with him. However, God forgave him, yet he himself was slated to die and probably not in a real gentle way. It probably wasn't like he was given an injection and fell asleep in death. When a sinner repents, God has compassion and forgiveness available.
Paul was not forgiven for lying about God and demanding the death of Jesus. Paul never really repented and just used religion as a profession enjoying his large assembly of people that believed his lies were true. Paul is not saved and is judged worthy to be with Judas the other false Apostle. Jesus said NO Pharisee is in the kingdom of heaven and he did not say except Paul, the man that still claims to be a Pharisee after he said he is an Apostle.
Matthew 23: 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
Paul forms his church by giving out the title of father to men that promise him they will not marry and have children. Jesus said not to call them father, so Paul does call them father.
Read 1 Peter 3:1. Jesus does want a wife by conversation to teach her husband religion if he does not know the gospel of Jesus. She is not to remain silent. She is to teach with respect and kind words as his wife, but she is to teach him so he can convert. But Paul denies that gospel of Jesus and Paul does not want women to teach men. Paul wants inequality of male and female and requires women to remain silent and never teach a man anything. Those are 2 completely different gospels and Paul is destroying the words of God with Paul's false gospel in defiance of Jesus. The Bible warns to beware of false teachers and Paul is the prime example of one.
Peter gives us reasons to beware of false teachers:
1. Beware of false teachers because they are a perpetual threat to God’s people.
“But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you"
2. Beware of false teachers because their methods are subtle and deceptive.
Peter says that these false teachers “will secretly introduce destructive heresies.” They will use “false words.” Paul brags about himself then said he is not bragging. Paul says he does not lie then tells us he lies to glorify God.
3. Beware of false teachers because their motives are impure.
Peter shows that these men are driven by evil motives including greed. At the root of their gospel is their own self-centeredness and pride. They want to exploit their followers to gratify themselves. Paul formed his own religion using the name of Jesus for validity when Jesus did not approve of Paul's gospel. Paul was making doctrine what Paul wanted it to be not what God wanted. But Paul was adept at saying a lot of very good things so when he lied, people would not notice.
Peter says (2:2), “because of them the way of the truth will be maligned.”
Paul destroyed the gospel Jesus taught; they are opposites on almost every main point.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Paul was not forgiven for lying about God and demanding the death of Jesus. Paul never really repented and just used religion as a profession enjoying his large assembly of people that believed his lies were true. Paul is not saved and is judged worthy to be with Judas the other false Apostle. Jesus said NO Pharisee is in the kingdom of heaven and he did not say except Paul, the man that still claims to be a Pharisee after he said he is an Apostle.
Matthew 23: 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
Paul forms his church by giving out the title of father to men that promise him they will not marry and have children. Jesus said not to call them father, so Paul does call them father.
Read 1 Peter 3:1. Jesus does want a wife by conversation to teach her husband religion if he does not know the gospel of Jesus. She is not to remain silent. She is to teach with respect and kind words as his wife, but she is to teach him so he can convert. But Paul denies that gospel of Jesus and Paul does not want women to teach men. Paul wants inequality of male and female and requires women to remain silent and never teach a man anything. Those are 2 completely different gospels and Paul is destroying the words of God with Paul's false gospel in defiance of Jesus. The Bible warns to beware of false teachers and Paul is the prime example of one.
Peter gives us reasons to beware of false teachers:
1. Beware of false teachers because they are a perpetual threat to God’s people.
“But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you"
2. Beware of false teachers because their methods are subtle and deceptive.
Peter says that these false teachers “will secretly introduce destructive heresies.” They will use “false words.” Paul brags about himself then said he is not bragging. Paul says he does not lie then tells us he lies to glorify God.
3. Beware of false teachers because their motives are impure.
Peter shows that these men are driven by evil motives including greed. At the root of their gospel is their own self-centeredness and pride. They want to exploit their followers to gratify themselves. Paul formed his own religion using the name of Jesus for validity when Jesus did not approve of Paul's gospel. Paul was making doctrine what Paul wanted it to be not what God wanted. But Paul was adept at saying a lot of very good things so when he lied, people would not notice.
Peter says (2:2), “because of them the way of the truth will be maligned.”
Paul destroyed the gospel Jesus taught; they are opposites on almost every main point.
Unfortunately you are way off the mark of understanding. Not sure where you're getting your information from but it's surely not from understanding the Bible. But you're not alone in that.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
You have your opinion about things and I'm not about to argue but Jesus knew what was foretold about the Messiah. He knew who he was. That was confirmed at his baptism as well as the transfiguration. I'm not sure where you're coming from, but there are prophecies that do not agree with your take on things. The greatest war is yet to come, and it's NOT going to be fought among men. Anyway, have a good night. I'm looking forward to the future in many aspects, all from God.
Not among men? Angels do not have flappy bird wings. They travel the heavens but in aircraft not with bird wings. Jesus left Earth in an aircraft and will return in one. Genesis describes heaven as the place birds fly so that means our sky above our heads before it turns into outer space. That's the place fighter jets fly. That is a heaven that can be taken by force. The House of God cannot be taken by force because it is in outer space, the universe, where we cannot follow because our space technology in inept and we can only be taken there by Jesus. Jesus said his kingdom is not here, and he is from above. What is above are other planets that can sustain human life where Jesus lives in his kingdom.
John 14:2 t
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." Jesus left Earth in a physical body to prepare a place. People are not going to float around in some fantasy land in that place, they will live on a similar planet to Earth because Humans destroy this planet making it uninhabitable because of the final war.
In the Universe, the House of God are many planets, mansions, that can sustain life. Jesus left earth in a physical body to prepare one of those planets similar to Earth where humans can exist in happiness and peace so even though our specie goes extinct on this planet caused by a manmade religious war, it survives in the Universe

People have fairytale ideas about the Bible when they should not. It is about our fate as humans not the fate of supernatural beings.
Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force."
The "kingdom" of Heaven is the concept that religious wars are fought over, and men kill each other so their concept of religion will prevail, so they achieve their position of power by force establishing their kingdom on Earth, not by righteousness but by killing people. They want to rule Earth forever but will destroy it instead.
Our sky is the heaven where the final war on this planet takes place, and it will be fought by humans in a world nuclear war over differences in religious belief. You have a good evening also.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Unfortunately you are way off the mark of understanding. Not sure where you're getting your information from but it's surely not from understanding the Bible. But you're not alone in that.
Jesus said why do you not believe me. Jesus knew Paul would lead people astray and said that one would come after him (after his death) and him people would believe but they would not believe Jesus. That is exactly what happened because people prefer to believe Paul than Jesus. Jesus gave us 2 commandments. One is believe in water baptism for remission of sin, baptizing all nations. Once baptized a person is whole never needing any other sin removal method. The 2nd is love one another.
Jesus said, "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father"
Anyone that agrees an innocent person should die for sins/crimes he did not commit does not love that person. Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Jesus said why do you not believe me. Jesus knew Paul would lead people astray and said that one would come after him (after his death) and him people would believe but they would not believe Jesus. That is exactly what happened because people prefer to believe Paul than Jesus. Jesus gave us 2 commandments. One is believe in water baptism for remission of sin, baptizing all nations. Once baptized a person is whole never needing any other sin removal method. The 2nd is love one another.9
Jesus said, "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father"
Anyone that agrees an innocent person should die for sins/crimes he did not commit does not love that person. Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice.
Allow me to say that in one way or another all of us are or have been involved in what is called sin, even if we might pass false judgment on someone or get involved with supporting warfare. Jesus approached Paul in vision and Paul realized what was happening.
Acts chapter 9 describes Paul's conversion to Christ.
"17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength.
Saul spent several days with the disciples in Damascus. 20 At once he began to preach in the synagogues that Jesus is the Son of God. 21 All those who heard him were astonished and asked, “Isn’t he the man who raised havoc in Jerusalem among those who call on this name? And hasn’t he come here to take them as prisoners to the chief priests?” 22 Yet Saul grew more and more powerful and baffled the Jews living in Damascus by proving that Jesus is the Messiah."
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Jesus said why do you not believe me. Jesus knew Paul would lead people astray and said that one would come after him (after his death) and him people would believe but they would not believe Jesus. That is exactly what happened because people prefer to believe Paul than Jesus. Jesus gave us 2 commandments. One is believe in water baptism for remission of sin, baptizing all nations. Once baptized a person is whole never needing any other sin removal method. The 2nd is love one another.
Jesus said, "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father"
Anyone that agrees an innocent person should die for sins/crimes he did not commit does not love that person. Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice.
Jesus clearly forgave Paul.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Good one!

An interesting fact that people overlook is Judas knew from the beginning that Jesus would be condemned to die when Judas sold him for 30 pieces of silver. That was the entire reason for betraying Jesus so he would be condemned to die. This scripture in Matt 27,
"Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,"
Note, Judas returns to Jews for repentance not to Christians for repentance. That fact is extremely important.
The attitude of the temple is against Judas that Judas was still condemned to die for leaving the Jewish temple that was causing Judas to "repent" (not wanting to return to the Christian church for repentance) but repenting to return to the Jewish religion to remove the death sentence placed on all Christian converts. Judas wanted the temple to forgive Judas for what he did. Jesus was already condemned, and Judas knew that money would never set Jesus free) Judas did not offer the Church Jesus established the money with repentance and remorse as Judas did not return to Christians for any forgiveness proving Judas rejected everything Jesus taught.
Judas tried to buy his OWN life back with those 30 pieces of silver as a blood offering for sinning against the temple and Judas considers himself innocent blood that he betrayed when he left the temple. So, Judas proclaims Jews are innocent blood, the chosen by Lord God. But the temple refused to accept Judas back and the temple does not see that they are sinning at all in the condemnation of Jesus, nor do they see Jesus or Judas that joined him as " innocent blood". So, they point out Judas needs to look at the fact they consider Judas condemned also for becoming a Christian and he has to deal with THAT.
4Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that."
Returning to unforgiving murderers that are established much like a religious Mafia caused the death of Judas that lied when he said he loved Jesus but didn't lie when he said he repented from leaving that religion that kills people for rejecting them.

I don't know about that. Your "Christian" religion, based on the false gospel (gospel of grace) of the false prophet Paul, was not in existence at the time of Judas hanging himself from a tree, and cursing the land because he was hung from the tree into the night (Deuteronomy). Like today's fake news, you seem to be rewriting the narrative to fit your views. The main point to point out, is that Matthew 27:9-10, is a direct quite from Zechariah 11:13 with respect to 3rd shepherd, which was Judas Iscariot per Matthew 27. The other two "shepherds" were Peter and Paul, both taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter", which is to say the Gentile church will only last "many days" (Hosea 3), and will "fall", because of its foundation of sand, based on Peter and Paul, per Matthew 7:26-27, because they didn't heed the message of Yeshua, but instead nailed it to the cross. With the coming of the "end of the age" comes the tossing into the fire of the tares. (Matthew 13:30 & 40).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Jesus clearly forgave Paul.

Paul and Judas, as well as Peter were "annihilated" (Zechariah 11:8) in the same generation (month). Apparently the "false prophet", per Revelation 20:10, was not "forgiven", as he was thrown into the lake of fire. He is dead, except for his demon spirit, but his judgment has been held off. Paul and his followers, the tares, was under the protection of Yeshua per Matthew 13:28-29, in order for the gentile church to protect the message of the son of man until the "end of the age". That the gentiles/tares propagated the message of the devil was apparently part of the plan (Matthew 13:39). Now that we are at the end of the age, apparently judgment is upon us. Look at the demon possessed leaders of today, Shi, Putin, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Jong-un, etc. (Revelation 16:13), who will take part in the lead up to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:16).
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
I don't know about that. Your "Christian" religion, based on the false gospel (gospel of grace) of the false prophet Paul, was not in existence at the time of Judas hanging himself from a tree, and cursing the land because he was hung from the tree into the night (Deuteronomy). Like today's fake news, you seem to be rewriting the narrative to fit your views. The main point to point out, is that Matthew 27:9-10, is a direct quite from Zechariah 11:13 with respect to 3rd shepherd, which was Judas Iscariot per Matthew 27. The other two "shepherds" were Peter and Paul, both taken to "pasture the flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter", which is to say the Gentile church will only last "many days" (Hosea 3), and will "fall", because of its foundation of sand, based on Peter and Paul, per Matthew 7:26-27, because they didn't heed the message of Yeshua, but instead nailed it to the cross. With the coming of the "end of the age" comes the tossing into the fire of the tares. (Matthew 13:30 & 40).
The true Christian religion rejects Paul knowing he was, from the beginning, a Pharisee sent to destroy the Christian religion and Paul did for those that believe his lies are true. There are 12 Apostles not 13 because each Apostle is to judge the 12 tribes if inheritance of Israel in the end of days war. Jesus instructed the 11 that only one man was allowed to replace the Apostleship of Judas that lost his because he helped cause the murder of Jesus as did Paul. Paul was never repentant of the murder of Jesus and claimed God wanted Jesus to die which is not true. Jesus said if you want to kill him then you do not love God and Jesus desires mercy not sacrifice. Jesus asked that people go and learn that, but most refuse to do it as they want to believe in a human sacrifice to a God like pagans.
Jesus is our teacher and Paul is the exam to determine if you listened to his words or not. People that believe Paul is an Apostle, fail the exam. Peter has a sound foundation, a rock, but liar Paul even contradicts what he said many times so is unstable and difficult to understand because the truth never varies. For example, compare Romans 3:20 and Romans 2:13. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." This is saying observance, obeying the law does NOT make you righteous in the sight of God. But then he said
law; 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." This completely contradicts.
Paul easily could have been the temple priest that paid Judas the 30 pieces of silver because he was a Pharisee in the area Jesus preached.
 
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YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Really? Where? According to who... Paul? :rolleyes:
That's the way I see it. I frankly don't see why you don't see that. But if that's what you want to believe, it's yours. Paul was clearly forgiven by Jesus when he met Paul on the road to Damascus, because Paul obviously realized what he was doing in relation to Jesus. Jesus knew the personality and mindset of Paul when he approached him. And Paul stopped his activities against Jesus and evangelized about Jesus after that. Sorry you don't see that.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Paul and Judas, as well as Peter were "annihilated" (Zechariah 11:8) in the same generation (month). Apparently the "false prophet", per Revelation 20:10, was not "forgiven", as he was thrown into the lake of fire. He is dead, except for his demon spirit, but his judgment has been held off. Paul and his followers, the tares, was under the protection of Yeshua per Matthew 13:28-29, in order for the gentile church to protect the message of the son of man until the "end of the age". That the gentiles/tares propagated the message of the devil was apparently part of the plan (Matthew 13:39). Now that we are at the end of the age, apparently judgment is upon us. Look at the demon possessed leaders of today, Shi, Putin, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, Jong-un, etc. (Revelation 16:13), who will take part in the lead up to Har-Magedon (Revelation 16:16).
You really got things mixed up.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
That's the way I see it. I frankly don't see why you don't see that. But if that's what you want to believe, it's yours. Paul was clearly forgiven by Jesus when he met Paul on the road to Damascus, because Paul obviously realized what he was doing in relation to Jesus. Jesus knew the personality and mindset of Paul when he approached him. And Paul stopped his activities against Jesus and evangelized about Jesus after that. Sorry you don't see that.
Paul LIED when he said he met Jesus on the road to Damascus in the desert. Jesus said he was not there and not to follow or believe anyone that tells us he was there.
Matthew 24:26
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."
The temple "secret chamber" is where blood sacrifices are made by a High Priest, so Jesus is saying he does not support blood sacrifice for sin so do not believe in it. Paul lied when he said Jesus was a High Priest that made a blood sacrifice because Jesus said he did not and do not believe that he did.
Speaking of Jesus in Hebrews 7 Paul said, "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself." Paul is also calling Jesus a SINNER that had to die for his own sins first then as a sacrifice for other people. Jesus never made a Blood sacrifice for sin because God never accepted any blood sacrifice for sin. It was a false religious ritual that Hebrew/Jews did, and it never accomplished anything except having those people die in their sins. Killing a life does not remove sin. The blood of Jesus is alive blood and it is life, the words of God, I AM, that save not the murder of an innocent human or animal.
Paul lied when he said he had witnesses because he didn't. No one confirmed his light of Jesus story, Paul had no witness because it never happened, Paul made it up to establish a base he could build a church of lies upon so people would pay him to hear his lies about God. Jesus left Earth and is returning but once near the end of days to collect his followers and all eyes will see it.
Paul never stopped his activities against Jesus because Paul taught people to agree Jesus should die for sins he did not commit. Paul reversed the gospel Jesus taught so you either believe Paul or you believe Jesus because they are 2 completely different doctrines. Jesus does not approve of the inequality of race and gender and blood sacrifice for sin removal gospel of Paul. Jesus was destroying that mindset while he taught people to leave the Jewish temple. Paul slyly leads people right back to Paul's traditional beliefs, that Jesus was destroying with truth from God.
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
You really got things mixed up.

Someone, the "many" of Matthew 7:13, have gotten things mixed up, and are apparently on the road to "destruction". One can turn from wickedness to righteousness, or suffer the consequences, which is the furnace of fire (Matthew 13:49-50 & Ezekiel 33:12).

Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, son of man, say to your people: 'The righteousness of the righteous man will not deliver him in the day of his transgression; neither will the wickedness of the wicked man cause him to stumble on the day he turns from his wickedness. Nor will the righteous man be able to survive by his righteousness on the day he sins.'
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The true Christian religion rejects Paul knowing he was, from the beginning, a Pharisee sent to destroy the Christian religion and Paul did for those that believe his lies are true. There are 12 Apostles not 13 because each Apostle is to judge the 12 tribes if inheritance of Israel in the end of days war. Jesus instructed the 11 that only one man was allowed to replace the Apostleship of Judas that lost his because he helped cause the murder of Jesus as did Paul. Paul was never repentant of the murder of Jesus and claimed God wanted Jesus to die which is not true. Jesus said if you want to kill him then you do not love God and Jesus desires mercy not sacrifice. Jesus asked that people go and learn that, but most refuse to do it as they want to believe in a human sacrifice to a God like pagans.
Jesus is our teacher and Paul is the exam to determine if you listened to his words or not. People that believe Paul is an Apostle, fail the exam. Peter has a sound foundation, a rock, but liar Paul even contradicts what he said many times so is unstable and difficult to understand because the truth never varies. For example, compare Romans 3:20 and Romans 2:13. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." This is saying observance, obeying the law does NOT make you righteous in the sight of God. But then he said
law; 13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." This completely contradicts.
Paul easily could have been the temple priest that paid Judas the 30 pieces of silver because he was a Pharisee in the area Jesus preached.

The revealing prophecy concerning Peter is Isaiah 22:15-25, whereas Peter was put "in charge of the royal household" (Isaiah 22:15), and would "carve a place in the rock", would be cast into a "vast country" (Rome), and be a "shame of your master's house" (Is 22:18 & Zechariah 13:4), and I will depose you from office", and your heir (pope who sets on the beast of Rome), will apparently receive the "key of the house of David, and when he "opens no one will shut", but in "that day", the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), he will "break off", and those "hanging on to him will be cut off" (Isaiah 22:15). Petros means small stone, not a rock the church would be built on. Petra is a foundational stone which stands for the "spirit of revelation" (Mt 16:17). Peter was the stand in for "Satan", and a "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:19). Peter and Paul were the "horns like a lamb" (Christ like leaders), by which the "beast", the Roman emperor Constantine and his Roman church, would "deceive" those who "dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14). They did a pretty good job of it.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Paul LIED when he said he met Jesus on the road to Damascus in the desert. Jesus said he was not there and not to follow or believe anyone that tells us he was there.
Matthew 24:26
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."
The temple "secret chamber" is where blood sacrifices are made by a High Priest, so Jesus is saying he does not support blood sacrifice for sin so do not believe in it. Paul lied when he said Jesus was a High Priest that made a blood sacrifice because Jesus said he did not and do not believe that he did.
Speaking of Jesus in Hebrews 7 Paul said, "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself." Paul is also calling Jesus a SINNER that had to die for his own sins first then as a sacrifice for other people. Jesus never made a Blood sacrifice for sin because God never accepted any blood sacrifice for sin. It was a false religious ritual that Hebrew/Jews did, and it never accomplished anything except having those people die in their sins. Killing a life does not remove sin. The blood of Jesus is alive blood and it is life, the words of God, I AM, that save not the murder of an innocent human or animal.
Paul lied when he said he had witnesses because he didn't. No one confirmed his light of Jesus story, Paul had no witness because it never happened, Paul made it up to establish a base he could build a church of lies upon so people would pay him to hear his lies about God. Jesus left Earth and is returning but once near the end of days to collect his followers and all eyes will see it.
Paul never stopped his activities against Jesus because Paul taught people to agree Jesus should die for sins he did not commit. Paul reversed the gospel Jesus taught so you either believe Paul or you believe Jesus because they are 2 completely different doctrines. Jesus does not approve of the inequality of race and gender and blood sacrifice for sin removal gospel of Paul. Jesus was destroying that mindset while he taught people to leave the Jewish temple. Paul slyly leads people right back to Paul's traditional beliefs, that Jesus was destroying with truth from God.
Lol have a good day bye
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Someone, the "many" of Matthew 7:13, have gotten things mixed up, and are apparently on the road to "destruction". One can turn from wickedness to righteousness, or suffer the consequences, which is the furnace of fire (Matthew 13:49-50 & Ezekiel 33:12).

Ezekiel 33:12 Therefore, son of man, say to your people: 'The righteousness of the righteous man will not deliver him in the day of his transgression; neither will the wickedness of the wicked man cause him to stumble on the day he turns from his wickedness. Nor will the righteous man be able to survive by his righteousness on the day he sins.'
----so long :) have a nice day.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
The revealing prophecy concerning Peter is Isaiah 22:15-25, whereas Peter was put "in charge of the royal household" (Isaiah 22:15), and would "carve a place in the rock", would be cast into a "vast country" (Rome), and be a "shame of your master's house" (Is 22:18 & Zechariah 13:4), and I will depose you from office", and your heir (pope who sets on the beast of Rome), will apparently receive the "key of the house of David, and when he "opens no one will shut", but in "that day", the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), he will "break off", and those "hanging on to him will be cut off" (Isaiah 22:15). Petros means small stone, not a rock the church would be built on. Petra is a foundational stone which stands for the "spirit of revelation" (Mt 16:17). Peter was the stand in for "Satan", and a "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:19). Peter and Paul were the "horns like a lamb" (Christ like leaders), by which the "beast", the Roman emperor Constantine and his Roman church, would "deceive" those who "dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14). They did a pretty good job of it.
Jesus taught against any concept of a "royal house = kingship" and denied he was a king even though people falsely called him one in his trial.
Peter said the PEOPLE (not any king and his selected as superior in rank to those beneath) were the royal priesthood= holy nation.
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:" These were the 1st people to hear the truth about God from His son Jesus. These were the 1st disciples. All that came before Jesus were robbers and thieves stealing titles of undeserved superiority religious and secular.
Peter is not and never was in support of what you claim about him. Jesus taught against the concept of kings and taught self-rule of the people with equality of ALL people, none superior and no king above them. Paul was so ignorant of the teachings of God that Paul even thought there was a "Chieftest" Apostle. No there wasn't. There are 12 equal foundation stones in the true religion, 12 EQUAL Apostles and they are all "rocks" that support the church, truth Jesus taught them. Paul a liar and is not found in the true church or in the kingdom of God. Paul's inferior church is the house of the condemned to die, unsaved, Judas. Lies are always inferior to truth.
I find it odd that the Catholic church claims it is founded on Apostle Peter but they do not listen to what Peter taught and their doctrine is founded on Paul instead. Paul was NEVER a "christ like leader" as Paul destroyed Jesus Christ the true Savior and seeks praise for doing it.
Understand Matthew 16: 19 is not what you claim. Rock represents truth from God. No lie usurps truth as a lie is always deceptive against the command of God not to lie, while the truth is pure, acceptable by God. The church Jesus built is built upon TRUTH and Peter spoke the truth from God when he said Jesus is the Son of God, the Christ.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.'
Apostle Peter has the keys to the kingdom of Heaven which is truth that opens the door to God but no Pharisee including Paul is found in the kingdom of heaven because they did not accept the truth from God when it was presented to them by Jesus and his Apostles.
Paul invents his own religion and lies when he said Jesus approves of him.
BTW, the "beast" is not Rome or any church.
 

2ndpillar

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Jesus taught against any concept of a "royal house = kingship" and denied he was a king even though people falsely called him one in his trial.

Yeshua taught the "kingdom of heaven", which is when the stick of Judah and the stick of Ephraim/Israel, are combined under the kingship of David on the land given to Jacob, whereas they will receive a new heart and spirit (Ezekiel 37:15-28). Per Matthew 16:18-19, Peter would be given the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in as whatever you bind on earth would be bound in heaven, as shown in Isaiah 22:22. The "royal household" is referring to the "Church" (Matthew 16:18), which is Mountain Zion, the mountain of God. Yeshua came to "fulfill" the Law and the prophets, and Isaiah 22 is a prophecy of the prophet Isaiah, in which Yeshua fulfilled by choosing Peter, an egotistical guy who could not walk on water, nor feed, care of tend the sheep (Zechariah 11:16), and initiated the "falling away" per Zechariah 13:7 & Matthew 26:31. Peter was the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17i. Yeshua was anointed, which refers to prophets, judges, priest, and kings. He was the prophet Moses told his people to listen too. He was not the king and now sits at the right hand of God until God crushes his enemies, at which time he will be set as king over his people. The enemies, such as the metals and clay of Daniel 2:45 still abound on earth.
 

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Yeshua taught the "kingdom of heaven", which is when the stick of Judah and the stick of Ephraim/Israel, are combined under the kingship of David on the land given to Jacob, whereas they will receive a new heart and spirit (Ezekiel 37:15-28). Per Matthew 16:18-19, Peter would be given the keys of the kingdom of heaven, in as whatever you bind on earth would be bound in heaven, as shown in Isaiah 22:22. The "royal household" is referring to the "Church" (Matthew 16:18), which is Mountain Zion, the mountain of God. Yeshua came to "fulfill" the Law and the prophets, and Isaiah 22 is a prophecy of the prophet Isaiah, in which Yeshua fulfilled by choosing Peter, an egotistical guy who could not walk on water, nor feed, care of tend the sheep (Zechariah 11:16), and initiated the "falling away" per Zechariah 13:7 & Matthew 26:31. Peter was the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17i. Yeshua was anointed, which refers to prophets, judges, priest, and kings. He was the prophet Moses told his people to listen too. He was not the king and now sits at the right hand of God until God crushes his enemies, at which time he will be set as king over his people. The enemies, such as the metals and clay of Daniel 2:45 still abound on earth.
Truth is the "key" given to Peter and truth is the same in heaven and on Earth, truth binds everything as it is reality not a fabricated lie the throne of David is built upon to deceive people. Christianity is not built on the beliefs of the Jews other than the fact Jesus was sent to the Jews to destroy the concept of Mount Zion, causing it to not be believed. The word Zion is never used by Jesus or his followers in the NT because it is not a basis of the true religion based on Truth, the key to understanding.
Only the Hebrew/Jews believe in Zion. The word Zion is used once in Revelation because that false belief of the Jews is a cause ( not the only cause but a main one) of nuclear world war. Jesus never called himself a Lamb because he is not one. He said he is the Shepherd sent to save Lambs from being killed, stop belief in sacrifice. The Shepherd never morphs into a Lamb and he remains the Shepherd always. That Jesus is a Lamb is a lie believed by people that believe in Zion supporting that religious/political concept.
Understand the "Father" that created the belief of Lamb sacrifice in the religion he created is Abraham. Pharisee Paul tells people that Abraham is the father of us all. Jesus said that is not true, Abraham is the father of the lie and people that teach those lies as truth are "vipers". What comes out of the mouth of vipers kills people. Abraham was "slain" from the beginning of his false religion because God never accepted Abraham's concept of law or religion. The lies of "Father" Abraham, that established the basis of 3 false religions today, lead to the final nuclear war on Earth.
So people do not know what they are doing when they think Rev 14:1 is referencing Jesus Christ our savior as the Lamb. The words of Jesus are he is the Shepherd and Jesus asked, "why can you not hear my words?"
Did Moses receive the covenant gift of the promised land? No, he did not because it does not exist. There is no covenant between Abraham and God except in the minds of the deceived by vipers.
 
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