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Does God use a channel ?

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
You don't seem to get it. There was no "feel good" about the baptism. You had to first confess your sins to your neighbors (Matthew 3:6), turn away from sinning again (repent), and if you didn't "bear" good fruits in step with your "repentance", you were to be "cut down and thrown into a fire" (Matthew 3:10). The water baptism was but a physical representation of a Spiritual baptism that must take place and bear fruit. No one went to the Temple to pay money changers to cleanse themselves from their uncleanliness when they touched a woman during their menstrual cycle. The sacrifice for Passover, a spotless lamb, was not the same as baptism. Your average Catholic gets baptized once by sprinkling, yet supposedly eats the lamb of God, at least once a year, on the pagan feast of Astarte (Easter), the fake date for Passover, and pays 10% of their income for the privilege (tithes). Baptism represents coming out of the world (turning from sin) and touching nothing unclean (Isaiah 52:11), whereafter, no "unclean" and "uncircumcised" will come among Zion and Jerusalem (Isaiah 52:1) which is the "good news" (Isaiah 52:7) of the "kingdom" to come (restoration of Zion) (Isaiah 52:8). Those born again, baptized in the spirit, will not be able to sin (1 John 3:9). Those born of the "devil" will continue to sin (1 John 3:8). And whose image is on your British coin, which the members of the Church of England pay their fake priests to eat their weekly unblemished lamb? Or is your religion a more hidden sect? Come on now, fess up, repent of your sins, and have some Catholic baptize you with water comprised ketchup. Hopefully, that will give you a "feel good" feeling.
This is just a confused mess.
I can't help you , friend.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
This is just a confused mess.
I can't help you , friend.

I agree. Your outlook appears full of confusion, and I am not sure of the source of your confusion. I know very little about British politics. If you were in the U.S., you could solve all your problems by voting for Bernie Sanders. The salvation of the poor is not a social security benefit of having a free bath/baptism and paying taxes with Crypto, instead of imagined coin.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
All I did was to restate what Jesus said in response to the question, so did he answer that wrong, iyo? Also, I am not Protestant nor agree with the various other sects that emerged.

I believe in Jesus' "law of love" thus I cannot take responsibility for those who don't believe in that and/or don't abide by that as well all have free will.

Your law of love, doing to others, what you want them to do to you, falls short when it is applied to Pedophiles, in as they might well want children to ravish them, so that they can under your unqualified comment, then ravish children. Whereas all, not confined in prison, for apparent lack of control, generally have a lot of free will, that is why you have .87/1000 population murders in East St. Louis. Apparently, lawlessness is now in with regards to Progressive cities, and murder rates therefore rise. There are reasons laws, and consequences for having lawlessness. With no bail and fewer prosecutions in New York, you have murder rates up 300% since the time of Juliani, who was rigorous in enforcing all laws. What Yeshua said was if you wanted life, you had to keep the Commandments. You simply noted the greatest law, the one that embodied the others, without referring to the base Commandments. That is a bit of a quick of hand, that leads down a wide path. As for the Protestants, they started with a Catholic cleric, Luther, who pointed out some deficiencies. Do you believe that the Catholics are without flaw, and that you can pay off your sins with a donation of cash to the church? Do you think that if a mass murderer is given the last rights after his execution, that he is not held responsible for his actions at the white throne judgment? Do you think that the pope speaks for God when he says so? Is Mary in heaven? Can the pope cast out demons? The Protestants may be wrong, but how much different are they from their mother Roman church? The commonalities are many, the differences are few. According to Revelation 17:5, the abominations run deep.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I agree. Your outlook appears full of confusion, and I am not sure of the source of your confusion.
People who cannot perceive that people back then did not walk around in some religious psycho-think, such non-perceptions leave me saddened.

I know very little about British politics. If you were in the U.S., you could solve all your problems by voting for Bernie Sanders.
Jumping from a discussion about the motivations of Jesus and Baptist to 'politics today' is just gob-smackingly strange to me.

The salvation of the poor is not a social security benefit of having a free bath/baptism and paying taxes with Crypto, instead of imagined coin.
I don't think you would ever have followed the true Jesus and I don't think that you understand the poor laws in The Laws of Moses.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
People who cannot perceive that people back then did not walk around in some religious psycho-think, such non-perceptions leave me saddened.


Jumping from a discussion about the motivations of Jesus and Baptist to 'politics today' is just gob-smackingly strange to me.


I don't think you would ever have followed the true Jesus and I don't think that you understand the poor laws in The Laws of Moses.

The law of God was that the poor and the rich were to be judged by the same standard.

Deuteronomy 1:17 Show no partiality in judging; hear both small and great alike.

Your point of view comes off as Marxist, which has failed in Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Mao's China, Stalin's USSR, and socialist France, which found out that fiat money leads to hell, which the current Progressive governments, will soon find out. The two witnesses, John and Yeshua, were to preach that one has to confess their sins and repent, and not directed at providing free wash services. The politics of Yeshua's day was led by the self-serving Pharisees and Sadducees, and today, the politics leading failing states are the Progressives, who want to give out free "smoking kits" according to the left-wing MSN. California now provides drug users with food stamps, plus 620 cash a month, and a place to buy drugs without prosecution, and then wonder why Los Angelos has 80,000 homeless who have gravitated from across the nation. Providing a rejuvenating bath for free, or providing free smoking kits, to help rejuvenated drug addicts for several hours, and those weighted down by the world and sin, is not the message of Yeshua. All you need for baptism is "living water", although my Catholic nun said a teaspoon of ketchup would do the trick, when teaching how to baptize. Keep in mind that the Church of England came out of the Roman church to provide leeway so the king of England could divorce his wife. Religion and politics are intertwined, and the Queen of England gets crowned by the church.


The Biden administration will fund the hand out of “safe smoking kits" as part of a nearly $30 million grant program to reduce drug use harm. The Department of Health and Human Services’s harm reduction plan includes 20 pieces of equipment and supplies that can be purchased by local governments and nonprofits eligible for the grant, such as safe smoking and safe-sex kits, infectious disease testing kits, screening for infectious diseases, PrEP resources and condoms.Is Biden Really Giving Free Crack Pipes To Drug Users? Everything We Know (msn.com)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
The law of God was that the poor and the rich were to be judged by the same standard.

Deuteronomy 1:17 Show no partiality in judging; hear both small and great alike.

Your point of view comes off as Marxist, which has failed in Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Mao's China, Stalin's USSR, and socialist France, which found out that fiat money leads to hell, which the current Progressive governments, will soon find out. The two witnesses, John and Yeshua, were to preach that one has to confess their sins and repent, and not directed at providing free wash services. The politics of Yeshua's day was led by the self-serving Pharisees and Sadducees, and today, the politics leading failing states are the Progressives, who want to give out free "smoking kits" according to the left-wing MSN. California now provides drug users with food stamps, plus 620 cash a month, and a place to buy drugs without prosecution, and then wonder why Los Angelos has 80,000 homeless who have gravitated from across the nation. Providing a rejuvenating bath for free, or providing free smoking kits, to help rejuvenated drug addicts for several hours, and those weighted down by the world and sin, is not the message of Yeshua. All you need for baptism is "living water", although my Catholic nun said a teaspoon of ketchup would do the trick, when teaching how to baptize. Keep in mind that the Church of England came out of the Roman church to provide leeway so the king of England could divorce his wife. Religion and politics are intertwined, and the Queen of England gets crowned by the church.


The Biden administration will fund the hand out of “safe smoking kits" as part of a nearly $30 million grant program to reduce drug use harm. The Department of Health and Human Services’s harm reduction plan includes 20 pieces of equipment and supplies that can be purchased by local governments and nonprofits eligible for the grant, such as safe smoking and safe-sex kits, infectious disease testing kits, screening for infectious diseases, PrEP resources and condoms.Is Biden Really Giving Free Crack Pipes To Drug Users? Everything We Know (msn.com)
Meh.....
Yeshia and the Baptist both were all for social justice for the ordinary people .....
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Meh.....
Yeshia and the Baptist both were all for social justice for the ordinary people .....

You are confusing your god, Marx, who was a rich writer, who was never a "worker" in his life, whose "social justice" is an unequal justice for all, and winds up crushing the workers. The "equity" of Marx results as in China, a steel pot of rice for everyone, except for the 30 million who starved to death.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Your law of love, doing to others, what you want them to do to you, falls short when it is applied to Pedophiles, in as they might well want children to ravish them, so that they can under your unqualified comment, then ravish children.
That is a non-sequitur, as obviously if one acting as a pedophile they are not living out of the "law of love".

Do you believe that the Catholics are without flaw, and that you can pay off your sins with a donation of cash to the church?
Of course not, and I consider your approach here to be very insulting because of you "Did you stop beating your wife yet?" approach.

If the above represents your own character, I'd much prefer just discussing topics like this with others who don't ask such insulting "leading questions".
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Hi,

Some religion claim that God uses their leaders as a channel by which information is passed on from Him to these men/women (for instance JW's).

My question is, is that a scriptural teaching ?
I am aware that in the past God (Jehovah) used prophets to instruct people of his will and convey his thoughts, but does he still do that today, or on the other hand is (for Christians) Jesus Christ our only teacher ?

Your comments are appriciated.

I believe Christianity does not usually use the term channeling but it is technically correct. For us today it is the Paraclete. However technically the prophets were not channeling they were just hearing through the channel.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Whether God uses mediums or not, is not my call to make. I don't know and rather don't pretend to know about "God matters". I also don't like if people pretend to know what I (should) do; in a similar way I leave "God's business" to God.

God can do whatever He think is best at any given moment; to pin God down as to what He does (not) or can (not) do, seems not a smart thing to me, because life, the universe is a flux, constantly changing, it's not static.

So, this question, implying limits on God (God is (not) using mediums nowadays) seems not something, I should think about, I leave "God matters" to God, otherwise I easily commit blasphemy, which I rather stay away from.

I believe the word medium is usually reserved for a person supposedly channeling ghosts not God.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
God knows best what God knows (and does, and needs to do), and I stick to my own business. I find it already difficult to know what I should do, it would be arrogance for me to claim to know what God does or does not (need to) do

I love that God guides me personal; this is much better than having to trust some other medium (and more intriguing, even more fun and for sure better for my Self confidence).

My own personal relationship with God is all I care about. I don't want any medium interference. We all can have a personal "relationship" with "God"

I believe sometimes God likes to do it that way whether you like it or not.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
You are confusing your god, Marx, who was a rich writer, who was never a "worker" in his life, whose "social justice" is an unequal justice for all, and winds up crushing the workers. The "equity" of Marx results as in China, a steel pot of rice for everyone, except for the 30 million who starved to death.
I am a Deist. I guess that you don't know about Deism.
It's easy to show that Jesus absolutely supported the poor laws, I would be pleased to offer quotes and actions of his.
The Baptist and Jesus were both utterly disgusted with the fat, greedy, hypocritical corrupt Priesthood. And the Temple coin striking of that time was a disgrace for any Jew to touch.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I believe sometimes God likes to do it that way whether you like it or not.
More correctly would be if you had said:
"I believe sometimes God likes to do it that way whether I like it or not.", don't you think?

I always speak for myself,
I don't know how it would be for you
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I am a Deist. I guess that you don't know about Deism.
It's easy to show that Jesus absolutely supported the poor laws, I would be pleased to offer quotes and actions of his.
The Baptist and Jesus were both utterly disgusted with the fat, greedy, hypocritical corrupt Priesthood. And the Temple coin striking of that time was a disgrace for any Jew to touch.

The Lord God expressed his displeasure at the "fat shepherds" who could not heal and did not feed the flock and would be forced to eat judgment (Ezekiel 34:16). It is after the LORD "delivers" the flock, that he will appoint "My servant David as king (Ezekiel 34:20-23). Anyone who claims any leadership, and cannot heal the flock, are probably looking at eating that which they don't want to eat, and it won't be the "fat" of the "sheep" (Ezekiel 34:1-5).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
That is a non-sequitur, as obviously if one acting as a pedophile they are not living out of the "law of love".

For the "pedophile" their whole life is about "love". The "law of love" is written out in long form as the 10 Commandments. Your "law of love" is totally subjective, as with the pedophile.

Of course not, and I consider your approach here to be very insulting because of you "Did you stop beating your wife yet?" approach.

If the above represents your own character, I'd much prefer just discussing topics like this with others who don't ask such insulting "leading questions".

It is you who asked if I stopped beating my wife. I simply asked if you support the Catholic church taking money to forgive sins? I can understand why a Catholic would be reluctant to answer such a question and instead produce a false narrative. You either support paying off sins in cash, or you don't.
 

MyM

Well-Known Member
Hi,

Some religion claim that God uses their leaders as a channel by which information is passed on from Him to these men/women (for instance JW's).

My question is, is that a scriptural teaching ?
I am aware that in the past God (Jehovah) used prophets to instruct people of his will and convey his thoughts, but does he still do that today, or on the other hand is (for Christians) Jesus Christ our only teacher ?

Your comments are appriciated.

In Islam, Allah finalized the last message to mankind and no other messenger or prophet will bring anything else. In Islam, those who claim that God speaks to them, that one is a prophet, that there are more messages out there are totally false. In Islam, there is no other God worthy of worship except your Creator and those who say they hear God or attribute things unto God etc, are liars.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
The Lord God expressed his displeasure at the "fat shepherds" who could not heal and did not feed the flock and would be forced to eat judgment (Ezekiel 34:16). It is after the LORD "delivers" the flock, that he will appoint "My servant David as king (Ezekiel 34:20-23). Anyone who claims any leadership, and cannot heal the flock, are probably looking at eating that which they don't want to eat, and it won't be the "fat" of the "sheep" (Ezekiel 34:1-5).
Ummmm...... We we discussing Jesus, The Baptist and their actions along the Jordan river in early 1st century Galilee.
You haven't even got the right century (above)....or do you believe that it was Jesus who expressed displeasure at fat shepherds...way before David was King?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Ummmm...... We we discussing Jesus, The Baptist and their actions along the Jordan river in early 1st century Galilee.
You haven't even got the right century (above)....or do you believe that it was Jesus who expressed displeasure at fat shepherds...way before David was King?

It was the Lord God, who expressed displeasure with the fat shepherds (Ezekiel 34:16-17), who will set over the flock, "My servant David", after the Lord God has judged between the sheep (Ezekiel 34:22). The judgment comes first, and then comes the kingdom, in which king David is set as "their shepherd" as set out in Ezekiel 37. Ezekiel is a prophet, and Ezekiel 34 is prophetic.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
For the "pedophile" their whole life is about "love". The "law of love" is written out in long form as the 10 Commandments. Your "law of love" is totally subjective, as with the pedophile.
That is nothing short of being sheer nonsense as taking advantage of a child is not "love" with the exception of those that have a morally twisted mind.

BTW, there are 613 Commandments. 613 commandments - Wikipedia

It is you who asked if I stopped beating my wife.
That is a lie.

I simply asked if you support the Catholic church taking money to forgive sins?
It did, yes, as an act of penance. However, it was too self-serving and the Church dropped it.

I can understand why a Catholic would be reluctant to answer such a question and instead produce a false narrative.
Ya know, I've never been "reluctant" to at least try and answer questions to the best of my ability, so you and I are now done.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
It was the Lord God, who expressed displeasure with the fat shepherds (Ezekiel 34:16-17), who will set over the flock, "My servant David", after the Lord God has judged between the sheep (Ezekiel 34:22). The judgment comes first, and then comes the kingdom, in which king David is set as "their shepherd" as set out in Ezekiel 37. Ezekiel is a prophet, and Ezekiel 34 is prophetic.
OK....so this nothing to do with Jesus.
 
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