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Pope Francis urges parents to support their gay children – not condemn them

rational experiences

Veteran Member
And no doubt is yet another indisputable prophecy, as it predicts Dillon.
Stone is rock.

If you thesis imagination from visions first before you practiced machine science then irradiated changed consciousness involves swapping natural heritage. Conscious self explanation equals body type.

As a man is a man as a man in nature first

A man's consciousness paired as two humans in nature said my role is to have sex by erected penis into a vagina.

Female consciousness was not the theist.

So you were talking to yourself.

As you theoried your ova ovary man life. After ice age baby man liar. Theme how would a creator meaning inventor man create.

O split to build O cells by DD first. Is not science.

Stone rock converting.

So when you practiced it your science reasoning theorising messed with your head.

Evidence crown of thorns radiation prickling bleeding unnaturally from body changes. Stones rock sealed radiation.

As if you got stoned the cruel ancients picked up stones and rocked stoned you. To death. As criminals. If they just felt like it.

So actually being a homosexual didn't stone you at all. It was mans inherited satanic science cause. Why anal sex was said Satan's powers.

Yet it wasn't.

Just because you tell stories first does not make it fact.

Fact by science is a written calculus formula first. And believe it or not you brother are not a calculated Formula how to convert stone.

Reasoned. Holy dusts emanations supported bio life. First man not a homosexual.

Emanations or radiations science says affected life's biology from stone.

Machines transmitted to machines in science.

Machines did not transmit to man.

If you claim today a machine transmitted to a man made you homosexual let me find gods connections by bible thesis you would be lying.

As fallout from above was not a machines radio waves.

Fallout from above enters cold gases water and oxygen. Not machine bodies. Or open machine stacks.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Pope Francis urges parents to support their gay children – not condemn them

Pope Francis has urged parents worldwide to unconditionally support, not condemn, their children if they are gay.

The leader of the Catholic Church made his latest gesture of outreach to the LGBT+ community in off the cuff statements during his weekly general audience on Wednesday (26 January).

"Parents who see that their children have different sexual orientations, how they manage that and accompany their children and not hide behind a condemning attitude,” Pope Francis said.

He told parents “never condemn” and not to be afraid of their children.

Pope Francis said Catholic Church officials encountered parents who struggled with how to support their gay child “all the time in the confessional”. He added that he had experienced such confessions “several times” when he worked in “Buenos Aires”.

“We have to find a way to help that father or that mother to stand by their son or daughter,” he said.
No matter what the Pope thinks, Jesus said the way is narrow.
 

MyM

Well-Known Member
Homosexuality isn't the only abomination condemned in the Bible. In fact, many abominations are mentioned in the Bible. Lying is another abomination. Stealing, coveting, fornication, and adultery are also condemned in the Bible, and there are seven deadly sins (lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, pride) mentioned in the Bible. But we don't see or hear any weeping and gnashing of teeth from evangelical Christians over other sins condemned in the Bible. Their preferred moral indignant rants are condemning LGBTQ.

Meanwhile, 68% of Christian men are addicted to pornography, sex abuse plagues the conservative Southern Baptist Church, and a majority of evangelical Christians loyally support a morally depraved man who bragged about how he could get away with kissing women and groping them in-between their legs because he's a celebrity. And that's not to mention the fact that he's twice divorced, thrice-married, and he paid off his porn star and Playboy Bunny mistresses to buy their silence about their extramarital affair. He's not exactly a prime example of traditional family values and Christian morality, now is he? His loyal supporters never condemn him for his many sins. As a matter of fact, they dismissed his sins with multiple excuses, such as "I voted for a president, not a pastor."

My point... "Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

Porn Addiction Statistics
The statistics for Christian men between 18 and 30 years old are particularly striking:
  • 77 percent look at pornography at least monthly.
  • 36 percent view pornography on a daily basis
  • 32 percent admit being addicted to pornography (and another 12 percent think they may be).
The statistics for middle-aged Christian men (ages 31 to 49) are no less disturbing:
  • 77 percent looked at pornography while at work in the past three months.
  • 64 percent view pornography at least monthly.
  • 18 percent admit being addicted to pornography (and another 8 percent think they may be).
Even married Christian men are falling prey to pornography and extramarital sexual affairs at alarming rates:
  • 55 percent look at pornography at least monthly.
  • 35 percent had an extramarital affair.
Is Porn Addiction a Problem in Your Church?

am sure it very well could be but you will not get a true reply
 

MyM

Well-Known Member

Ya know, there are plenty of places that go against sodomy, homosexuality in the Bible. I listed a few of them. In my opinion, this is what happens when things turn into "the norm" . They get desensitized, numb. People end up doing what they want, how they want and to hell with anything that gets in their way to try and stop them. This is exactly what the Bible preaches about. It is an abomination. Anyone can deny it all they want, BUT IT'S THERE.

Also, it is the law and you are supposed to live by the law. Again, they don't care about the law. The more they do it, the more people see, the more it becomes a relaxed conversational piece and then next, it's an accepted practice. Which is all over the world in this day. Just like the people of Lot....they were outrageous, no morals and they practiced lude acts of homosexuality and how did God punish them? By destroying the entire city. People are dismissing God altogether and sooner or later, they will be standing in front of their Creator.


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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination

Jude 1:7 Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Matthew 11:23-24 And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.” (amazing this verse talks of HADES! Something Christians don't even believe in).

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Romans 1:27 And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Psalm 107:34 A fruitful land into a salty waste, because of the evil of its inhabitants. (now it is the Dead Sea)

Romans 1:24-27 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Ya know, there are plenty of places that go against sodomy, homosexuality in the Bible. I listed a few of them. In my opinion, this is what happens when things turn into "the norm" . They get desensitized, numb. People end up doing what they want, how they want and to hell with anything that gets in their way to try and stop them. This is exactly what the Bible preaches about. It is an abomination. Anyone can deny it all they want, BUT IT'S THERE.

Also, it is the law and you are supposed to live by the law. Again, they don't care about the law. The more they do it, the more people see, the more it becomes a relaxed conversational piece and then next, it's an accepted practice. Which is all over the world in this day. Just like the people of Lot....they were outrageous, no morals and they practiced lude acts of homosexuality and how did God punish them? By destroying the entire city. People are dismissing God altogether and sooner or later, they will be standing in front of their Creator.


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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination

Jude 1:7 Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Matthew 11:23-24 And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.” (amazing this verse talks of HADES! Something Christians don't even believe in).

1 Timothy 1:9-10 Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Romans 1:27 And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Psalm 107:34 A fruitful land into a salty waste, because of the evil of its inhabitants. (now it is the Dead Sea)

Romans 1:24-27 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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I would think love would motivate someone to declare God's word in that manner.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The first rule with LGBTQ is that we have to love them. We don't want them committing suicide for one reason. And anything else comes secondary.
It's not always easy to adjust one's life and habits to what God declared is good or bad.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
And as with heterosexual love it is more than the mere physical, but the enduring love that last through the years, through the ups and downs of everyday life, faithful in sickness as well as the good times. Understanding this is why Pope Francis encourages legal civil unions, includes them as members of the Church, allowed to follow their conscience between them and God.
How close does this fit with evolution? And I am looking at some statistics which say that the 10th leading cause of death in the United States is suicide. That was in 2010. From what I understand the Pope believes in evolution. Has he ever explained in detail his beliefs about that? Maybe you know...?
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
How close does this fit with evolution? And I am looking at some statistics which say that the 10th leading cause of death in the United States is suicide. That was in 2010. From what I understand the Pope believes in evolution. Has he ever explained in detail his beliefs about that? Maybe you know...?

The Church has accepted the theory of evolution and the age of the earth for centuries as it is not anti-science.
 

MyM

Well-Known Member
I would think love would motivate someone to declare God's word in that manner.

Love isn't the issue here and God isn't all love as many people think. He completely destroyed a city and then some because of these atrocities.

The Dead Sea should be proof enough to witness that when one disobeys their Creator, there will be consequences. :)

In Islam, it says that Allah turned the city upside down..
فَلَمَّا جَاءَ أَمْرُنَا جَعَلْنَا عَالِيَهَا سَافِلَهَا وَأَمْطَرْنَا عَلَيْهَا حِجَارَةً مِنْ سِجِّيلٍ مَنْضُودٍ
(11:82) And when Our command came to pass, We turned the town upside down, and rained on it stones of baked clay, one on another.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yeah. It's not easy saying you hate your family.
I suppose. I didn't "hate" my family, but I must say they never taught me about God. Or what was right or wrong in God's eyes. It was kind of like 'do your own thing and hope you don't get into trouble...'
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The Church has accepted the theory of evolution and the age of the earth for centuries as it is not anti-science.
There's a bit of a problematic situation when it comes to accepting/believing what God's word the Bible says in comparison. Is there any fairly defined explanation the Pope or the Vatican has given about accepting evolution as the way things came about on the earth?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The Church has accepted the theory of evolution and the age of the earth for centuries as it is not anti-science.
Here is an interesting statement about that -- (do you agree?)
"The evolution in nature is not opposed to the notion of Creation, because evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve," Pope Francis said, according to a Vatican newswire transcript of the event." It does? Evolution presupposes the creation of beings that evolve? It does? what does that mean anyway, that evolution "presupposes" the creation of beings that evolve?
Pope Francis's Remarks on Evolution Are Not That Controversial Among Roman Catholics (newsweek.com)
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Pope Francis urges parents to support their gay children – not condemn them

Pope Francis has urged parents worldwide to unconditionally support, not condemn, their children if they are gay.

The leader of the Catholic Church made his latest gesture of outreach to the LGBT+ community in off the cuff statements during his weekly general audience on Wednesday (26 January).

"Parents who see that their children have different sexual orientations, how they manage that and accompany their children and not hide behind a condemning attitude,” Pope Francis said.

He told parents “never condemn” and not to be afraid of their children.

Pope Francis said Catholic Church officials encountered parents who struggled with how to support their gay child “all the time in the confessional”. He added that he had experienced such confessions “several times” when he worked in “Buenos Aires”.

“We have to find a way to help that father or that mother to stand by their son or daughter,” he said.
Children don't have sexual orientations... they learn from what they see.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
There's a bit of a problematic situation when it comes to accepting/believing what God's word the Bible says in comparison. Is there any fairly defined explanation the Pope or the Vatican has given about accepting evolution as the way things came about on the earth?

Until two centuries ago the age of the earth was reckoned on the basis of biblical chronology at approximately four thousand years. From astronomers and astrophysicists have pushed these millions to billions. Nov. 22 1951 Pius XII speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Science accepted tentatively an approximate birth of the universe between 5 and 10 billion years and listed the reasons for acceptance. He concludes with, "Although these figures may seem astounding, nevertheless, even to the simplest of the faithful, they bring no new or different concept from the one they learned in the opening words of Genesis, ...that is to say at the beginning of things in time. The figures we have quoted clothe these words in a concrete and almost mathematical expression, while from them these springs forth a new source of consolation for those who share the esteem of the Apostle for that divinely inspired Scripture, which is always useful 'for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing."

John Paul II
"New knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is, in itself, a significant argument in favor of the theory."
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
There are always folks ready to condemn the Catholic Church for literally anything, even 'love people,' for goodness sake. I can't even.

Some folks are homosexual. Some Christians are homosexual. Some Jews are homosexual. Very good folks among them and there are some here, it seems, who would just throw them all under the bus or abandon them as kin for not even doing anything, but falling in love with the wrong sex. I don't support SSM, but come on, at least love folks who haven't done anything wrong.
 
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