Pope Francis urges parents to support their gay children – not condemn them

[Sgt. Pepper]

What's a "homosexual act" when there is "neither male nor female"?

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." You're missing the "in Christ Jesus" part, which essentially means that there are no lesser Christians in the Christian church. In other words, a Jewish Christian isn't any more righteous than a Greek Christian, and so forth. All Christians are equal.

 

[robocop (actually)]

The first rule with LGBTQ is that we have to love them. We don't want them committing suicide for one reason. And anything else comes secondary.

 

[sun rise]

To step back from the scripture, what Pope Francis said was that the law of love should govern how parents treat such children. It follows directly from Saint Francis treatment of lepers who were thought to be afflicted because of their sins. What the Bible had to say about leprosy did not govern his behavior back then and Pope Francis is saying the same thing about LGBT people today.

 

[rational experiences]

Actually the bible condemns the reason homosexuality was caused. Aligned to the adulterer thought the molester thought the criminal thought the murderer thought.

Consciousness with Christ was taught.

A the ist.

The Satan ist.

Theist. A human first.

Ist...first claims not human. A the Ist.

The Rock book advice life sacrificed proven was shut advised by Peter the head. The human basic advice hypocrites of science. Human.

The great architect.

Phi never existed. A human drew a circle O first pi. As a theist for science.

As no man is God.

The Rock.

The Rock is not Pi nor Phi.

Theism today I want to demanifest time shift God rock disappearance from under our feet. A radiating circle first space by Satanism theism is disintegration law.

Meaning no rock beneath our feet to have a human hover above a space hole and not rock. As oxygen burn out wood kill's life.

Sin as sink hole thesis. As man owned no sin. Jesus Phi hovering as crop circle stopped the attack seal. In the heavens. Jesus not the word Phi detailed what Phi caused to life.

By man's wisdom advised.

His ghost not Phi manifested as a man that left.

Consciousness human. Human conscious life water oxygenated owner bio chemistry.

Thinking the theist body equal a man woman.

Ai Satan cloud large water amassed life human taken. Higher body advice by water. A the ist. I think I am the creator men cloud gas theisms. All religious theisms of men.

Claiming their God saved them. Clouds amassing. Water flooding by causes. Ice the saviour body owned by God earth sacrificed melting.

Their God term. Sacrificed life of a human man never conceived the advice. The heavens caused it.

No man is God said science case closed.

Science reopened it's man chosen practice himself.

All conscious spiritual men.

Now when you get to the man's Baha'i advice he was murdered for what reason?

He challenged spiritual men creationists of science.

The very reason.

How can a lesser natural man say a human and not a God theism was first? Man naturally the spiritual being when so many were no longer of conscious minds?

When spiritual men invented God sciences!

Claimed he is a new message. Of his age time and inherited human man baby inherited life place. Not named until he lived.

I was predicted to live and give this new man's life sacrificed acceptance from Jesus predictions that Rome conferred.

After star fall burnt Rome in Nero cause era. Documented Nero was demented laughed. Irradiated brain effect.

So humans sexually conceived as a human by gods conditions the state heavens is a human as either biological a man or woman.

The conscious thinker however psyche identifies by human heavenly recorded memories. Subliminal possessed feedback images past sexual life. All human expressed.

Is proven a cause of heavenly phenomena.

The exact reason why a spiritual conscious life can think for itself no matter who they are ....in whatever human organisation as just a human first.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It seems like people tend to forget that LGB and/or T Christians have always existed, like me. One of the earliest Gentile converts to Christianity was the Ethiopian eunuch, in Acts chapter 8. Eunuchs were a sort of third gender category in ancient Greco-Roman culture. They tended to run the gambit, in modern terms, from gay men to what we'd call trans women these days. The biggest thing they had in common is that they weren't attracted to females, and tended to be castrated. But he was still welcomed into the Church. There's been many LGBT people over the centuries who were prominent members of the Church, including Saints. Even David and Jonathan had a love for each other that was at least bordering on homosexual (i.e. a romantic love). God never said mutual love for each other was a sin.

There's only 6 Biblical verses that even seem to address homosexuality, and it's debatable as to what they mean (including Leviticus and St. Paul's writings, which are not clear; Paul even made up a word that we still aren't sure what it means). It's not a black or white issue. There's a lot of nuance here which has gone on over the centuries, which will disappoint "both sides".

It really doesn't seem to be as big an issue to God as it is to humans, judging from Biblical history and even the different approaches in Christian practice over the centuries. There's hundreds of verses covering more pressing moral matters. Obviously parents shouldn't be disowning their children over this. It's not like they're rapists or murderers (although even murderers can be forgiven, but I'm not sure about Ted Bundy types).

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

By the way, many of the other trans people I've personally known IRL are Christians and attend church, and volunteer at their churches. One was a former Trappist monk (she was voluntary released from her vows) who traveled the world speaking on spiritual issues, and another is pursuing a theology degree.

 

[Clara Tea]

Pope Francis urges parents to support their gay children – not condemn them

Pope Francis has urged parents worldwide to unconditionally support, not condemn, their children if they are gay.

The leader of the Catholic Church made his latest gesture of outreach to the LGBT+ community in off the cuff statements during his weekly general audience on Wednesday (26 January).

"Parents who see that their children have different sexual orientations, how they manage that and accompany their children and not hide behind a condemning attitude,” Pope Francis said.

He told parents “never condemn” and not to be afraid of their children.

Pope Francis said Catholic Church officials encountered parents who struggled with how to support their gay child “all the time in the confessional”. He added that he had experienced such confessions “several times” when he worked in “Buenos Aires”.

“We have to find a way to help that father or that mother to stand by their son or daughter,” he said.​

The religion of hate (Christian) that wages wars, makes torture camps, doesn't tolerate other religions (like their parent religion, Jewish, and can't even tolerate other denominations of the same religion), has traditionally been against Gays. Sometimes Gays have been tortured or killed by Christians.

Tender caresses by two Gays who love each other shows how much they care for each other. It isn't like the exploitive anal sex that is obviously painful, nor the messy fluid in the face that is so degrading and humiliating. Rather, love, even if Gay love, is a wonderful thing to behold.

Many Gays end up on the streets, struggling to get food. Once on their own, without jobs, they sometimes turn tricks for older, uglier, and richer clients. Sometimes drug pushers pimp them out, but first "kindly" offer them narcotics to ease their mental pain, which, of course, addicts them, and makes them the slave of the pimp/drug pusher. The narcotics, of course, cost more and more as they get hooked. This adds to the narcotics problem (gang wars, and organized crime), but it is also devastating to the poor Gay children who are caught up in the crimes. Many Gay kids have no clue what is in store for them--they come into this innocent, and come out jaded, tough, mean, and certainly far from God.

Many pimps like to "slap the b-ches around"....as they say.

If you want to save souls, save the bodies of Gays. Make it so that they have some means of sustenance.

I find it hard to believe that warlike, snapping, snarling Christians will make it into heaven. Or, if they do, I don't want to go to heaven. I don't want to go to any place where smug and nasty souls abound.

Jesus said "judge not, lest ye be judged." This means that it is not mankind's job to judge Gays. It is our job to be kind to all....even kind to Gays.

Many Christians fight to prevent Gay marriages. They say that it devalues Christian heterosexual marriages (I fail to see how). This deprives Gays of the rights of inheritance, the rights of child custody, and the rights to collect government aid as a married couple.

It's time to get out of the pants and bedrooms of others and stop judging them. Only God is their judge.

 

[Clara Tea]

It seems like people tend to forget that LGB and/or T Christians have always existed, like me. One of the earliest Gentile converts to Christianity was the Ethiopian eunuch, in Acts chapter 8. Eunuchs were a sort of third gender category in ancient Greco-Roman culture. They tended to run the gambit, in modern terms, from gay men to what we'd call trans women these days. The biggest thing they had in common is that they weren't attracted to females, and tended to be castrated. But he was still welcomed into the Church. There's been many LGBT people over the centuries who were prominent members of the Church, including Saints. Even David and Jonathan had a love for each other that was at least bordering on homosexual (i.e. a romantic love). God never said mutual love for each other was a sin.

There's only 6 Biblical verses that even seem to address homosexuality, and it's debatable as to what they mean (including Leviticus and St. Paul's writings, which are not clear; Paul even made up a word that we still aren't sure what it means). It's not a black or white issue. There's a lot of nuance here which has gone on over the centuries, which will disappoint "both sides".

It really doesn't seem to be as big an issue to God as it is to humans, judging from Biblical history and even the different approaches in Christian practice over the centuries. There's hundreds of verses covering more pressing moral matters. Obviously parents shouldn't be disowning their children over this. It's not like they're rapists or murderers (although even murderers can be forgiven, but I'm not sure about Ted Bundy types).

I accept you as a valued member of the forum and valued member of the religion, and I realize that you are Gay (as you stated).

RE: Ted Bundy. That shows that people are people. Gays are not saints nor horrible people, they are just regular people. A small number of people (regardless of sexual orientation) are horrible (like Ted Bundy). We can still accept Gays without promoting Bundy.

The tender caress of two Gays is enough to convince me that they love each other. Love seems magical, no matter what their sexual orientation is.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I accept you as a valued member of the forum and valued member of the religion, and I realize that you are Gay (as you stated).

RE: Ted Bundy. That shows that people are people. Gays are not saints nor horrible people, they are just regular people. A small number of people (regardless of sexual orientation) are horrible (like Ted Bundy). We can still accept Gays without promoting Bundy.

The tender caress of two Gays is enough to convince me that they love each other. Love seems magical, no matter what their sexual orientation is.

I'm not gay. I'm bisexual and a transsexual man (female to male). I'm a B and a T.

Ted Bundy was just mentioned as an example of what is "a bridge too far".

 

[Clara Tea]

Where does the Bible literally say there is no male and female? It doesn't. It says before Christ are as one. Not literally all one and indistinguishable. Before Christ even the rich and poor stand as equals.
This "none of it all" translation also does not fit in anywhere with the rest of the Bible. It simply cannot be reached with a critical reading of the Bible, because he made them, male and female.

Galatians 3:28 - Wikipedia

Apostle Paul said "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Though the bible considers Gayness to be a sin, all are accepted as Christians, and all valued children of God. Only God is the judge.

As usual, I really like reading your posts.

 

[kaninchen]

Pope Francis has urged parents worldwide to unconditionally support, not condemn, their children if they are gay.

That certainly would not have gone down well on CAF.

 

[sun rise]

CAF

What is "CAF"?

 

[kaninchen]

What is "CAF"?

Catholic Answers Forums - before they were put out of their misery a couple of years ago, they had been both big and busy. I was guessing Vouthon here was Vouthon there - he'd recognise 'Kaninchen' (German for 'rabbit'), I was, sort of, resident Jew for a decade and a half.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Anyone here seen the Sistine Chapel? Possibly the most conspicuously gay interior decorating job in the history of Europe. Pope Francis probably just looked up…

 

[Vouthon]

That certainly would not have gone down well on CAF.

Well, well, well - what a pleasant surprise to see you here

And yes, it would likely have provoked an acute hysterical episode of Pope Francis Derangement Syndrome among the rank-and-file of our conservative American buddies back in the day (and I'm sure that Hillary Clinton, Planned Parenthood and the EU would've been brought up and blamed for something somewhere for some reason even though it had nothing to do with the topic of the thread).

I've been slaving it away at the law firm over the past few months and must've missed your joining the forum, so here's to a belated: welcome to RF!!!

 

[pearl]

The tender caress of two Gays is enough to convince me that they love each other. Love seems magical, no matter what their sexual orientation is.

And as with heterosexual love it is more than the mere physical, but the enduring love that last through the years, through the ups and downs of everyday life, faithful in sickness as well as the good times. Understanding this is why Pope Francis encourages legal civil unions, includes them as members of the Church, allowed to follow their conscience between them and God.

 

[kaninchen]

And yes, it would likely have provoked an acute hysterical episode of Pope Francis Derangement Syndrome

As the years went by, even to an outsider, it seemed they got better and better at driving away people who weren't (angrily) 'more Catholic than the Pope'.

I've been slaving it away at the law firm over the past few months

Where have I heard that story before? . . . oh, I remember, there were my lawyer cousins, friends from Uni . . . .

It was ever thus!

 

[sun rise]

Anyone here seen the Sistine Chapel?

Yes on a tour of Italy in the 1990's. It was a wonderful trip.

Possibly the most conspicuously gay interior

Not every depiction of the human body is sexual.

 

[Father Heathen]

Hi,


"...the vine of Sodom and from the terraces of Gomorah. Their grapes are grapes of poison. Their clusters are bitter"(De 32:32)

We will all reap what we sow.
There is no question as to what type of "crop" this philosophy will grow into.

I'm glad the newer generations are embracing reason and compassion and abandoning ancient, primitive mindsets.

 

[F1fan]

"The Bible" says whatever its readers want it to say.

For example, the line "if a man lies with another man, he shall be stoned", clearly endorses both homosexual relationships and recreational drug use!

And no doubt is yet another indisputable prophecy, as it predicts Dillon.