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Liberty = Body Cams + Dash Cams + Youtube + Phones + Torts

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This is a fascinating video. It shows how reluctant cops
are to arrest one of their own (a superior) for drunk driving.
But they know that if they don't follow standard procedures,
they'll lose their jobs. They treat the perp with greater
consideration than they would a civilian. Still, it's progress.
Thoughts?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So Liberty = Surveillance?
That wasn't in the equation.
Liberty is about being able to hold government's enforcers
accountable. Our right to record them...our right to force
them to record themselves interacting with us...those are
crucial features to avoiding a police state.

Here's one where a cop from my county got caught driving
drunk as a skunk. He tries to weasel out of it, but these
northern MI cops won't have it, lest they lose their jobs.
They treat him better than they would a civilian who refused
to cooperate.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Yes, because in the very moment they become lieutenant or superintendent, they start thinking they are entitled to do anything.
And if the populace dares tell them off...he will respond: " it is because I am I, and you guys are nothing".


Obviously not always. I know superintendents who do not want any special treatment.
And that they are the first to obey the law.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Cops always look after their own and band together
(Ok to that’s a generalisation, but still.)
I think body cams are a must to prevent them from being even worse and getting away with it
 

The Hammer

[REDACTED]
Premium Member
That wasn't in the equation.
Liberty is about being able to hold government's enforcers
accountable. Our right to record them...our right to force
them to record themselves interacting with us...those are
crucial features to avoiding a police state.

Here's one where a cop from my county got caught driving
drunk as a skunk. He tries to weasel out of it, but these
northern MI cops won't have it, lest they lose their jobs.
They treat him better than they would a civilian who refused
to cooperate.

I'm not disagreeing, only pointing out what it looks like. I think body cams and police accountability is a great thing.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Thoughts?
Nice to see how incredible respectful American policemen can behave

0.36% BAC is extremely high, it can cause death. So, it's good that he got caught (maybe his wife made the call). If he is smart he learns from it, and hopefully can control himself next time, and at least is not so arrogant to drive a car next time
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm not disagreeing, only pointing out what it looks like. I think body cams and police accountability is a great thing.
Definition of surveillance | Dictionary.com
The primary definition doesn't appear to be about
monitoring government. So to me, the word connotes
something done by those with power to those without.

Treating the word broadly, I'd say that government,
especially cops, prosecutors, & judges must be surveilled
& held strictly accountable.
Instead of meeting a lower standard with lesser punishment,
both should be higher because of the great danger they pose
wielding such authority over others. To abuse such power
is a heinous crime.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nice to see how incredible respectful American policemen can behave

0.36% BAC is extremely high, it can cause death. So, it's good that he got caught (maybe his wife made the call). If he is smart he learns from it, and hopefully can control himself next time, and at least is not so arrogant to drive a car next time
Cops expecting "courtesy" for driving drunk is common here.
One I knew openly said that he kept his sheriff deputy hat on
his dash so that he'd get a pass when pulled over drunk.
That was pre-body cam though. I think things are slowly
changing for the better for the titular reasons.

Oh I knew that same cop's girlfriend because she worked at
my favorite hardware store. He beat her. He threatened
to have his cop buddies retaliate against her family if she
ever complained to authorities. He did contracting work for
me, but I fired him for threatening co-workers & tenants.

Minneapolis has been in the news for multiple instances
of cops recklessly killing people. Look at their top cop....
Minnesota sheriff was driving 126 mph at time of DUI crash
He is a very corrupt individual...
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Cops expecting "courtesy" for driving drunk is common here.
One I knew openly said that he kept his sheriff deputy hat on
his dash so that he'd get a pass when pulled over drunk.
That was pre-body cam though. I think things are slowly
changing for the better for the titular reasons.
Wow, that's bad. But not unexpected. Bad people have been here for millenia, would be gullible to believe they suddenly disappeared from the world scenery. Plenty of Hitlers around nowadays. I have no illusion they are not here

Good to share such stories. Because now there are many bad people abusing their power. All dirt comes out during covid era it seems. In Holland we have less censorship than in USA, so here we have plenty of proof of all covid scams already, but soon it will spread to USA too.

The rich lose power, and even can't protect their own anymore. They sacrifice now people high up in the hierarchy (prince in England for example, but also in Holland we just had a huge sex scandal this week. Many 'important' go under (are being sacrificed) now).
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Oh I knew that same cop's girlfriend because she worked at
my favorite hardware store. He beat her. He threatened
to have his cop buddies retaliate against her family if she
ever complained to authorities. He did contracting work for
me, but I fired him for threatening co-workers & tenants.
Good you fired him. Too arrogant to listen to good advice

I once met someone, friendly at first, but gradually I noticed him making threads. Immediately I cut all contacts with him. And that felt really good. I discovered that "bad" habits seldom change in such people. I used to give people more chances, thinking they might change if I explained well. But they are just too mean, and even enjoy their power games. Because that's what it is I think
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Good to share such stories. Because now there are many bad people abusing their power. All dirt comes out during covid era it seems. In Holland we have less censorship than in USA, so here we have plenty of proof of all covid scams already, but soon it will spread to USA too.
Odd....I recall an interview with Paul Verhoeven, wherein
he said he came here because of less censorship.
Prosecution of Geert Wilders suggests to me that you've
more censorship than we have.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Good you fired him. Too arrogant to listen to good advice

I once met someone, friendly at first, but gradually I noticed him making threads. Immediately I cut all contacts with him. And that felt really good. I discovered that "bad" habits seldom change in such people. I used to give people more chances, thinking they might change if I explained well. But they are just too mean, and even enjoy their power games. Because that's what it is I think
In my experience, people generally don't change
for the better when given opportunity & help.
They are who they are with rare exceptions.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Odd....I recall an interview with Paul Verhoeven, wherein
he said he came here because of less censorship.
Prosecution of Geert Wilders suggests to me that you've
more censorship than we have.
Haha, prosecution you call that. I call it a staged movie to silence and control people.

They made a big show of this Wilders case, and I understand why.

You know the verdict against Wilders? That tells it all
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
In my experience, people generally don't change
for the better when given opportunity & help.
They are who they are with rare exceptions.
Yes.

Don't try to change the world, just try to change yourself

And as you discover how difficult it is to change oneself, you understand others won't change either probably
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes.

Don't try to change the world, just try to change yourself

And as you discover how difficult it is to change oneself, you understand others won't change either probably
I still try...but I take less risk in the effort now.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Cops culture has the belief that they can drive drunk
without consequence. In this case, the off duty cop
was driving drunk with his lights off in the wrong
direction on the highway. He killed 2 people.
He appeared uninjured. (No such thing as karma.)
He seems unconcerned with the people he hit.
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...ed-with-vehicular-homicide-in-wrong-way-crash
Excerpted....
KOB reported that Barber would remain out of jail until his trial and stay with his parents, who are both in law enforcement.
According to KOB, the judge ordered that Barber abstain from drinking and cannot drive.


He must be specifically told that he can't drink & drive?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
How effective are the body cams when it's still a game of 'inside baseball'? Who looking at the video besides the cops? I think dash and body cams are a great idea, but they are just recording devices. Ultimately, someone honest needs to be looking at what they record.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
This is a fascinating video. It shows how reluctant cops
are to arrest one of their own (a superior) for drunk driving.
But they know that if they don't follow standard procedures,
they'll lose their jobs. They treat the perp with greater
consideration than they would a civilian. Still, it's progress.
Thoughts?
Plus torts... why if i didn't know any better, I would think that you recognize that people in authority positions such as landlords can abuse that authority. And, when there is a disagreement between two entities that cannot be resolved through independent negotiations, our judicial system provides an outlet for remedy.
 
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