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Stigmatizing

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I am so sorry about your niece. I had Covid three months ago. I was not hospitalized. I have antibodies and immunity now.
God bless you in the New Year.
Not for long. People are being reinfected. It’s not like other diseases where you can “one and done it” unfortunately
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I consider injecting these vaccines into myself as a dangerous thing to do, detrimental to the body...
(Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
1 Corinthians 6:19). So why would I want to see anyone doing so or think my doing so is demonstrating love?

On the contrary for me to do so against my conscience would be sin.

... for whatever is not from faith is sin. Romans 14:23

I'ld say being willfully ignorant is a sin.

You might want to educate yourself from proper sources
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
... sources that are in collusion with pharmaceutical companies for financial profit?
If you are going to make claims like this, then please go to the next step and link us to where you got it from. Is there some dishonesty out there? Of course there is. Are there fallacious conspiracy theories out there? Same answer. Like in school math classes, "show the work".
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The province of Quebec instituted a tax on the unvaccinated today. The money is destined for the health department. It parallels the taxes on alcohol and tobacco, in my view. Like user pay.

The main reason, though, is as a motivation to get vaccinated.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
I am so sorry about your niece. I had Covid three months ago. I was not hospitalized. I have antibodies and immunity now.
God bless you in the New Year.

Sorry, but your immunity won't be good enough. It is not nearly as good as vaccine immunity at preventing severe disease AND is far less likely to prevent infection from new variants.

Now, do you understand enough immunology to understand why that is?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Oh, do you mean like sources that are in collusion with pharmaceutical companies for financial profit?

No. I mean clinical double blind scientific studies by independent research and the micro-biology theories that underpin it all.

By now, we have data from literally billions of shots.
The vaccines are just fine.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Which people say that?
Certainly not those with a minimum of education on how viruses and vaccines work ..
So you think people that say things like this ... "the unvaccinated are dominating the patients in intensive care and those dying. They have so little respect for others that they are willing to put medical professionals at risk (as well as others) and have been unnecessarily prolonging this pandemic through their ignorance and selfishness." are people with a minimum of education on how viruses and vaccines work?
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
So you think people that say things like this ... "the unvaccinated are dominating the patients in intensive care and those dying. They have so little respect for others that they are willing to put medical professionals at risk (as well as others) and have been unnecessarily prolonging this pandemic through their ignorance and selfishness."

That statement is very different from your original statement.

are people with a minimum of education on how viruses and vaccines work?

No. Or not necessarily. The thing is that the statement you now shared, does not say the same thing as your previous statement.

So essentially, you're changing the goalposts.

To say that the unvaccinated dominate hospital beds and those dying, is VERY different from saying that the vaccinated only become sick due to the unvaccinated.


No vaccine provides 100% protection.
And even if it did, EVERY vaccine provides ZERO % protection against infection.
What it protects against (in the majority of cases - not 100%), is the infection running amok in your body.
It gives your immune system the ability to kick in instantly and attack the virus before it can do any damage.

This makes sure that:
- you don't get symptoms, or very little (and thus not requiring hospital care)
- the infection time is shortened tremendously
and as a result of this:
- you are far far less contagious (but still contagious for a short period).
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I am so sorry about your niece. I had Covid three months ago. I was not hospitalized. I have antibodies and immunity now.
God bless you in the New Year.

Hanging covid does not give you immunity. Very many people have had it more than once. Like the jab it is not 100%

Having it again may be worse than the first time, it depends on the type you get.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Should the unvaccinated be stigmatized? Is doing so right, moral, logical, or based on factual reality?

“In the USA and Germany, high-level officials have used the term pandemic of the unvaccinated, suggesting that people who have been vaccinated are not relevant in the epidemiology of COVID-19. Officials’ use of this phrase might have encouraged one scientist to claim that “the unvaccinated threaten the vaccinated for COVID-19”.1 But this view is far too simple.”

DEFINE_ME


Recently, I have read that there are outbreaks on cruise ships with fully vaccinated crew and passengers. As well, a Belgian scientific research station in Antarctica has had an outbreak of Covid-19, although workers are fully vaccinated and based in one of the world's remotest regions.
Meh, the only time I feel stigmatized for not having the jabs is online or from the TV. Then I turn it off. It doesn't come up in my daily life. I highly doubt any of my coworkers (whom I spend much of my time with as I spend much of my time at work) would think I should be treated as lesser over it. I'm not the only unjabbed one, either.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
That statement is very different from your original statement.



No. Or not necessarily. The thing is that the statement you now shared, does not say the same thing as your previous statement.

So essentially, you're changing the goalposts.
Goalposts??? What goalposts?

To say that the unvaccinated dominate hospital beds and those dying, is VERY different from saying that the vaccinated only become sick due to the unvaccinated.
Perhaps you are the one changing the goalposts... Whatever they are supposed to be.
Surely that's not all that was stated. Maybe you closed your eyes at this point... They have so little respect for others that they are willing to put medical professionals at risk (as well as others) and have been unnecessarily prolonging this pandemic through their ignorance and selfishness."

Can you explain how that's different to this... The vaccinated only catch the virus because people are unvaccinated

No vaccine provides 100% protection.
And even if it did, EVERY vaccine provides ZERO % protection against infection.
What it protects against (in the majority of cases - not 100%), is the infection running amok in your body.
It gives your immune system the ability to kick in instantly and attack the virus before it can do any damage.

This makes sure that:
- you don't get symptoms, or very little (and thus not requiring hospital care)
- the infection time is shortened tremendously
and as a result of this:
- you are far far less contagious (but still contagious for a short period).
What's that all about? Educational session?
It might serve to be far more useful if you school us on how the unvaccinated are prolonging this pandemic through their ignorance and selfishness.

PS.
About giving "your immune system the ability to kick in instantly and attack the virus before it can do any damage". What happened to all those vaccinated whose immune system didn't seem to prevent them "kicking the bucket"? (No disrespect on that pun, to those who suffered loss)
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
This argument is becoming quite tired. It's a matter of public health and common sense. When a vaccinated person gets Covid, they are far less likely to take up a hospital bed because their cases are statistically not as severe. This helps our overburdened hospitals, which are experiencing capacity problems, filling up with the unvaccinated.
Modern leprosy is more fitting I think. It's more segregationist than anything else.

The untouchables.
 

Ashoka

श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
All I know is that in my area, right now, the hospitals and clinics are being flooded with Covid patients. Many of whom are not vaccinated. People are dying, and nurses are getting burned out. We're the only country right now that is throwing a fit over the vaccine. Please. Please get vaccinated. Wear a mask. We have the power to end this.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I disagree, it’s not far right politics. It’s personal health and medical choice. It is far left politics that want to force and coerce everyone to comply, though, from my perspective.
I see from a different perspective: you do have a free choice, but you're demanding freedom from the consequences of your choice and acting as if you're entitled to good will and high regard frok the people you're choosing to put in harm's way.

You have the right to refuse the vaccine. What you don't have the right to do is live as if you've been vaccinated if you've refused the vaccine.

If you lose your job... too bad. It was a situation of your own making. You have the right not to be vaccinated, but you don't have the right to put others at undue risk.

... and this doesn't change just because you fail to appreciate the risk you've chosen to impose on others.
 
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