firedragon
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So would Christian evangelists be "new theists"?
How is that? Im curious.
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So would Christian evangelists be "new theists"?
Perhaps some get angry at constantly being told their feelings are offensive.
Lion's den and all that.Many do. Most of them in this forum are atheists. Strangely though.
Lion's den and all that.
Find the term a bit confusing as well. Personally I like to use the two different types of atheistic views and then add anti theists, which might be what is meant with the new atheism.I see a lot of people, usually theists, Bring up the New Atheist. They often try to apply the label to me, and get me to defend random things that they claim New Atheism is about. I deconverted back in the early '80s, so I don't know. Are there actually New Atheists? Are you one?
I need something better to make me feel good.Maybe mice who like to pretend like lions. Make some people feel good.
Perhaps some get angry at constantly being told their feelings are offensive.
If you have to support something in order to think it's worth talking about, someone really ought to tell all the environmentalists on forums about climate change.Many do. Most of them in this forum are atheists. Strangely though.
Lion's den and all that.
Perhaps we have more courage to take on alternative views?
Several authors got on best-seller lists with books that were critical of religion around the same time.I see a lot of people, usually theists, Bring up the New Atheist. They often try to apply the label to me, and get me to defend random things that they claim New Atheism is about. I deconverted back in the early '80s, so I don't know. Are there actually New Atheists? Are you one?
I need something better to make me feel good.
Religions need leaders, so i suppose theI see a lot of people, usually theists, Bring up the New Atheist. They often try to apply the label to me, and get me to defend random things that they claim New Atheism is about. I deconverted back in the early '80s, so I don't know. Are there actually New Atheists? Are you one?
Several authors got on best-seller lists with books that were critical of religion around the same time.
This led people who've never read people like Bertrand Russell, Robert Green Ingersoll, and Thomas Huxley to think they were seeing a brand new movement.
I think that's all this is.
Perhaps more of some recognising a tolerant forum where one might not be banned because of one's views rather than anything else, and which might not be the case on so many others?Yeah, though sometimes we do act as an "in-group".
Exactly! Thats why we call aggressive Atheism a kind of religion itself, the doctrines of doubt.I used to self-identify as an atheist while I was deconstructing my fundamentalist past. I was always a bit annoyed by some of my fellows, as they seemed less interested in understanding what was behind the religious impulse, as they were in just bashing religion (though admittedly I went through this stage as well).
This article here explains a lot. They really aren't neo-atheists. Their old-school anti-theists. Atheists like Sartre and Camus actually had helpful insights: Reza Aslan: Sam Harris and "New Atheists" aren't new, aren't even atheists
Excerpt from the article:
Disenfranchised by what they viewed as an aggressively religious society, personally threatened by a spike in religious violence throughout the world, and spurred by a sense of moral outrage, a certain faction of atheists among an otherwise rational population of people who doubt or deny the existence of God reverted to an extreme and antagonistic form of anti-theism. This is the movement that came to be called New Atheism.
The appeal of New Atheism is that it offered non-believers a muscular and dogmatic form of atheism specifically designed to push back against muscular and dogmatic religious belief. Yet that is also, in my opinion, the main problem with New Atheism. In seeking to replace religion with secularism and faith with science, the New Atheists have, perhaps inadvertently, launched a movement with far too many similarities to the ones they so radically oppose. Indeed, while we typically associate fundamentalism with religiously zealotry, in so far as the term connotes an attempt to “impose a single truth on the plural world” – to use the definition of noted philosopher Jonathan Sacks – then there is little doubt that a similar fundamentalist mind-set has overcome many adherents of this latest iteration of anti-theism.
Exactly! Thats why we call aggressive Atheism a kind of religion itself, the doctrines of doubt.
Rational is overrated.
Only by the irrational.