"New atheism" looks complicated.
Gimme that old time atheism.
Gimme that old time atheism.
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The new Athiest Humanities downfall?
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Unfortunately, I think its the most extreme who speak the loudest(and not just when it comes to atheism).
I suspect the atheists who would agree with this 'new atheism' are probably few and far between.
On the other side, have you heard of Ingersoll atheism? I spent a lot of time at religious gatherings with one, who was firm in her disbelief, but loved the beauty in religious rituals and learning from people different from herself.
I work in Local Government and can say the loudest most persistent complainant does get the most attention.
No I had not heard of Ingersoll atheism. I really have had my head in the sand since becoming a Baha'i in 1984. I am a person that stays focused on what I pursue, maybe even with blinders on.
I hope you are right about few and far between.
Regards Tony
I don't know what to say I just feel like in this new atheism they are pushing on me to not be myself.
Yes that is indeed a statement that needs reference. I would have to read His quoted sources to know, that would not be high on my want to read list. But maybe it is time to read from a wider audience, it may assist.
Regards Tony
firedragon
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It was larger in the 70's. Grew since the dawn of the 20th century. Declined. So these people didnt create anything. They just became famous, made money out of anti religious rhetoric. Not all, at least a few.
I dont think Atheism is some kind of downfall. One could never say anything like that because we just dont have some vision to see the future. Maybe it serves a purpose. We can only speculate. Especially it is invalid to generalise the four people you mentioned in the OP to all. Some of the most educated atheists have condemned this movement and particularly aimed at Dawkins and his rhetoric.
All four of them are uneducated in religions, sociology of religion, and humanities. So they make up a lot of rhetorical, unfounded polemics and it pleases the crowd. It sells books. And some worship them and get angry like they are prophets of their own God.
Its a belief system. A faith.
Audie
Veteran Member
"Atheist cause"
That you came up with such a weird concept
probably says volumes.
Audie
Veteran Member
Unless your source is God, " his"
is not a proper noun, nor is "author".
What are you trying to imply.
Just as I suspected, a religious perspective about atheism. Of course it's going to be objective and honest.
As I read the list it was obvious this was not a genuine representation of what atheism means. I could tell it wasn't written or advocated for by actual atheists.
So, this is misinformation and fraud. Why did Tony post it?
Audie
Veteran Member
Why not? I love our dragons, i love the great cathedrals.
Im fascinated by wisdom gleaned from
world religions.
Wonder if any theist considers what they could learn from atheists.
Audie
Veteran Member
We see a lot people launching threads to falsify
atheists and / or science.
Mini pogroms.
Perhaps an HONEST statement of intent is order.
Audie
Veteran Member
Who has pushed " new atheism" on you?
Or tried to make you not be yourself?
You sure this has happened?
It was not my idea.
I thought it an interesting article, that is all.
Why it was interesting was I see some of those steps are used in RF.
Regards Tony
I had the pleasure to personally attend the talks of Dawkins, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett. I disagree with many things they have said, but I find their work stimulating rather than threatening.
PruePhillip
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(13) Patholigical ridicule to bypassing religious sentiments as to how a universe created itself when it didn't exist, and for no reason at all.
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lukethethird
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1. Dawkins and crew are yesterday's news, they're passé.
2. I could find a lot to criticize between the four of them, they're human, but that list isn't about them.
3. That list is about the frailty of religious beliefs and of course atheists are to blame for that.
4. There is no New Atheist movement and there never was, it was about a few guys selling books.
5. Cry me a river.
2. I could find a lot to criticize between the four of them, they're human, but that list isn't about them.
3. That list is about the frailty of religious beliefs and of course atheists are to blame for that.
4. There is no New Atheist movement and there never was, it was about a few guys selling books.
5. Cry me a river.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
The Baha'i history states was murdered in the challenge of the emergence. Science. In its reinstated mind inheritance. By irradiation cause.
Science status is alien probing. At the moment human overtaken by nose probes. AI event. By science. By machine designer. Never an alien always was as a scientist.
Alien any status not gods own cause natural history fused that was introduced by man.
A lie N.
A Nile.
Fallout by man of nuclear science introduced. In our heavens from the ground dusts.
Argument..
God O earth already owned sink holes. God did it first..said science.
Sin.
Reasoning bared earth owned rooted in the ground as proof the tree of life was not in ground reacting.
Man made his own sin holes by science. Removed the ground beneath the rooted trees. Garden gone out of Egyptian land was eradicated.
Once was forested.
The teaching natural meek kind loving family.....over Lorded by the scientist.
Coercer.
First status design.
A human body is a whole human by design. I am made in the image of the creator. Father a human.
In the image God Oo cells. Pressure holds O.
Science says it's theme against life eradication is human DNA by maths. Obvious coercion.
Brother sister. Not had sex so father mother term is after a baby is born.
First two humans adults owned sperm and ovary. Not sex. Whole humans.
Not a baby which we all are.
We are not the first humans as the theory of science said against us.
Science unnatural.
Human natural.
Natural human learnt about science only in the sacrificed experience and had to learn about science to argue against science.
Science said science is wrong.
Stephen Haw King warning.
Man's healthy life is equated by other healthy men. Life begins to die the scientist is reviewed.
Stephen had already argued against scientists.
Sacrificed man ignored third time.
Alien feedback destroyed man of science is an image. Designer. Gone again removed out of man's human image.
Man's design in reaction plus reactive machine is stated twice.
Built first.
Reacted machine mass second. Two.
Man built two machines.
His own. Then god earth released another machine. As his equals earth reaction answer. Is two bodies changed in dust mass.
Scientist invented the alien.
Scientist in human visionary feedback advice cloned many species.
Scientist built nuclear machines that fly that consumed ate the flesh off humans.
It is all visionary.
One vision I gained. After I saw the frame of my brother's scientist history appear in red glowing light. Was Tom Cruise as Scientology. A warning.
Just advice to my female mother of all men I conceived as his sister first. Female memories.
We owned O the cell of his life. We were higher informed in human life.
Scientology...false alien thesis. Mind control as warnings and also applied used.
Science studied all phenomena. Human body contacts and changes and mind coercion.
Was advised human warnings. Was always advised human warnings for humans because of humans.
Religious medical science church was still science. So of course there are negatives involved in the reasoning religion. As it involves science.
But it was the best medical advice they had in their era.
O earth was sealed.
Tree of nature ground rooted.
Ground pressurised non reactive.
After ice age slow melt allowed dusts to radiate. But they were not in fission.
A human is human conscious and cannot discuss human non presence which is a direct lie.
The science teaching by human science agreement stated space was a mystery. Evidence of science alien caused concluded. Evil.
Artificial state's occurred by changing earths natural pressures by machine conditions effects held fusion.
Reason mineral was once a seam of melted cooled pressured metals.
The face of earth owning the seams converted destroyed put a particle in top of the ground status.
Metal belonged in a pressurized rock body only.
What introducing Ai meant. Artificial meant natural O earth God did not own what science changed.
Science status is alien probing. At the moment human overtaken by nose probes. AI event. By science. By machine designer. Never an alien always was as a scientist.
Alien any status not gods own cause natural history fused that was introduced by man.
A lie N.
A Nile.
Fallout by man of nuclear science introduced. In our heavens from the ground dusts.
Argument..
God O earth already owned sink holes. God did it first..said science.
Sin.
Reasoning bared earth owned rooted in the ground as proof the tree of life was not in ground reacting.
Man made his own sin holes by science. Removed the ground beneath the rooted trees. Garden gone out of Egyptian land was eradicated.
Once was forested.
The teaching natural meek kind loving family.....over Lorded by the scientist.
Coercer.
First status design.
A human body is a whole human by design. I am made in the image of the creator. Father a human.
In the image God Oo cells. Pressure holds O.
Science says it's theme against life eradication is human DNA by maths. Obvious coercion.
Brother sister. Not had sex so father mother term is after a baby is born.
First two humans adults owned sperm and ovary. Not sex. Whole humans.
Not a baby which we all are.
We are not the first humans as the theory of science said against us.
Science unnatural.
Human natural.
Natural human learnt about science only in the sacrificed experience and had to learn about science to argue against science.
Science said science is wrong.
Stephen Haw King warning.
Man's healthy life is equated by other healthy men. Life begins to die the scientist is reviewed.
Stephen had already argued against scientists.
Sacrificed man ignored third time.
Alien feedback destroyed man of science is an image. Designer. Gone again removed out of man's human image.
Man's design in reaction plus reactive machine is stated twice.
Built first.
Reacted machine mass second. Two.
Man built two machines.
His own. Then god earth released another machine. As his equals earth reaction answer. Is two bodies changed in dust mass.
Scientist invented the alien.
Scientist in human visionary feedback advice cloned many species.
Scientist built nuclear machines that fly that consumed ate the flesh off humans.
It is all visionary.
One vision I gained. After I saw the frame of my brother's scientist history appear in red glowing light. Was Tom Cruise as Scientology. A warning.
Just advice to my female mother of all men I conceived as his sister first. Female memories.
We owned O the cell of his life. We were higher informed in human life.
Scientology...false alien thesis. Mind control as warnings and also applied used.
Science studied all phenomena. Human body contacts and changes and mind coercion.
Was advised human warnings. Was always advised human warnings for humans because of humans.
Religious medical science church was still science. So of course there are negatives involved in the reasoning religion. As it involves science.
But it was the best medical advice they had in their era.
O earth was sealed.
Tree of nature ground rooted.
Ground pressurised non reactive.
After ice age slow melt allowed dusts to radiate. But they were not in fission.
A human is human conscious and cannot discuss human non presence which is a direct lie.
The science teaching by human science agreement stated space was a mystery. Evidence of science alien caused concluded. Evil.
Artificial state's occurred by changing earths natural pressures by machine conditions effects held fusion.
Reason mineral was once a seam of melted cooled pressured metals.
The face of earth owning the seams converted destroyed put a particle in top of the ground status.
Metal belonged in a pressurized rock body only.
What introducing Ai meant. Artificial meant natural O earth God did not own what science changed.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Other than your belief in God and in Baha'u'llah as God's messenger, I think in a lot of ways the Baha'i Faith has more in common with a lot of the Atheists here on the forum, than some of the Christians.
But Atheism, I think, is an important reaction to radical religion or even overly fundamentalist types of religions. Maybe some Atheists are way too extreme about their belief, just like some people in some religions are way too extreme about their beliefs.