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[Koldo]

It's not a very efficient system at all.

It makes constant claims to be underfunded but the funding has pretty much only ever increased year on year, and yet every year we're bombarded with 'the NHS is being failed' - usually by the Tory government - the same Tory government that gave them nearly more money than they've ever been given in their whole existence.

The staff are not brilliant. I don't mean to offend anyone who may work for the NHS but my experience with this service has been beyond a joke. As well as rude service staff, I've found that GPs don't care to give you follow ups, no-one ever rings you, no-one ever gets through to you on a personal basis (they will send generic texts); the level of care is shoddy and half-hearted; they don't seem to want to bother and it's very strange. Then again, I despise pill-based medical systems and value more holistic based approaches that don't reach for pills first. Good luck getting that kind of service with the NHS.

The NHS is often used as a battering ram against anyone who dares be a little more conservative. I used to agree that it is the best kind of medical system, but throughout these last two years I've become convinced that a health system tied to the government is probably one of the worst ideas in the world. That's not to say there's no private healthcare here, there is - but it's very expensive. The NHS can become a tool for government health propaganda, so good luck finding any alternate opinions from another doctor like you can in other countries.

You might be expecting a stellar health system that simply doesn't exist, no matter if it is public or private funded, unless you are rich.

 

[Rival]

You might be expecting a stellar health system that simply doesn't exist, no matter if it is public or private funded, unless you are rich.

I'm expecting a health system that actually works and doesn't fob you off with pills, then keep blaming you for its deficiencies.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You might be expecting a stellar health system that simply doesn't exist, no matter if it is public or private funded, unless you are rich.

And that's the problem. It shouldn't only exist for rich people.

 

[Koldo]

And that's the problem. It shouldn't only exist for rich people.

It is too expensive though.
How would you make it more affordable?

 

[Koldo]

I'm expecting a health system that actually works and doesn't fob you off with pills, then keep blaming you for its deficiencies.

As far as I know, the NHS does work, even though it might not meet your expectations.

 

[Rival]

As far as I know, the NHS does work, even though it might not meet your expectations.

'It does work it just doesn't meet your expectations.'

So it doesn't work.

 

[muhammad_isa]

'It does work it just doesn't meet your expectations.'

So it doesn't work.

Of course it works. It's a safety net if nothing else.
People can augment it with private consultations if they are able to.
If they are not able to, then they should at least be thankful that they are not living in a so-called 3rd world country.

Incidentlly, I share your frustrations with the NHS, but however much money is "thrown at it", it can never be perfect.
That is reality. NHS hospitals have some very expensive equipment, which needs maintaining. Drugs and medicines are internationally expensive.
Fuel is expensive.

 

[Koldo]

'It does work it just doesn't meet your expectations.'

So it doesn't work.

You really don't know what it is like to have health care that doesn't work properly.

 

[Rival]

Of course it works. It's a safety net if nothing else.
People can augment it with private consultations if they are able to.
If they are not able to, then they should at least be thankful that they are not living in a so-called 3rd world country.

You really don't know what it is like to have health care that doesn't work properly.

So I guess, for the usual RF crowd, I ned to talk like a textbook and clarify every little thing.

I'm not saying the NHS doesn't work wholesale. It keeps people alive. It gives them treatments. It delivers babies. It's alright. And apparently I'm mean to be satisfied with that. I'm not.

The UK has 'one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world'

While access to care is “generally good” the quality of care in the UK is “poor to mediocre” across several key health areas, obesity levels are “dire” and the NHS struggles to get even the “basics” right, the report said citing a lack of investment over the last six years.

Britain was placed on a par with Chile and Poland as countries still lagging behind the best performers in survival following diagnosis for different types of cancer. The UK came 21st out of 23 countries on cervical cancer survival, 20th out of 23 countries on breast and bowel cancer survival and 19th out of 31 countries on stroke.

They are blaming this on lack of funds, but here are the NHS funds:

There's a steady upward curve. So no, they're not being underfunded.

It's just not up to par in how it does these things. We don't have a system that actually seems to care about its patients or want to give them the best healthcare possible - instead it just pops pills and tells them to go suck a lemon drop (I was told that once by a doctor). I would like a system that offers better care than what the NHS does.

Apparently if I have chronic insomnia, which I have, I'm meant to be alright with taking pills for it for the rest of my life.

Unless you think being on pills for one's whole life is normal.

The NHS doesn't offer the revolutionary treatments one can find in other countries. Brits have to routinely send their kids to the States for effective treatments for diseases the NHS doesn't have the resources nor even knowhow to deal with.

Let's be honest, the NHS is awful

So no, I won't be shamed for expecting better service in one of the world's richest countries.

 

[Koldo]

So I guess, for the usual RF crowd, I ned to talk like a textbook and clarify every little thing.

I'm not saying the NHS doesn't work wholesale. It keeps people alive. It gives them treatments. It delivers babies. It's alright. And apparently I'm mean to be satisfied with that. I'm not.

The UK has 'one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world'

While access to care is “generally good” the quality of care in the UK is “poor to mediocre” across several key health areas, obesity levels are “dire” and the NHS struggles to get even the “basics” right, the report said citing a lack of investment over the last six years.

Britain was placed on a par with Chile and Poland as countries still lagging behind the best performers in survival following diagnosis for different types of cancer. The UK came 21st out of 23 countries on cervical cancer survival, 20th out of 23 countries on breast and bowel cancer survival and 19th out of 31 countries on stroke.

They are blaming this on lack of funds, but here are the NHS funds:

There's a steady upward curve. So no, they're not being underfunded.

It's just not up to par in how it does these things. We don't have a system that actually seems to care about its patients or want to give them the best healthcare possible - instead it just pops pills and tells them to go suck a lemon drop (I was told that once by a doctor). I would like a system that offers better care than what the NHS does.

Apparently if I have chronic insomnia, which I have, I'm meant to be alright with taking pills for it for the rest of my life.

Unless you think being on pills for one's whole life is normal.

The NHS doesn't offer the revolutionary treatments one can find in other countries. Brits have to routinely send their kids to the States for effective treatments for diseases the NHS doesn't have the resources nor even knowhow to deal with.

Let's be honest, the NHS is awful

So no, I won't be shamed for expecting better service in one of the world's richest countries.

I didn't say you have to be satisfied.
But you do need to tone down your expectations.
You can not reasonably expect to be offered revolutionary treatments, nor the best healthcare possible for every case. When you expect the extraordinary, you will obviously be disappointed.

 

[Rival]

I didn't say you have to be satisfied.
But you do need to tone down your expectations.
You can not reasonably expect to be offered revolutionary treatments, nor the best healthcare possible for every case. When you expect the extraordinary, you will obviously be disappointed.

I'm expecting better than what I'm given. What you're given at the NHS is subpar but this is what you don't seem to understand. Better treatment would be regular treatment in other European countries. The NHS is just crap.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..I won't be shamed for expecting better service in one of the world's richest countries.

The problem with that, is that if one is not thankful for what they've got,
they will always be disappointed.
..and regards being in a "rich country", watch this space.
Why should one country be richer than another?
What goes up, must come down.

 

[Rival]

The problem with that, is that if one is not thankful for what they've got,
they will always be disappointed.
..and regards being in a "rich country", watch this space.
Why should one country be richer than another?
What goes up, must come down.

'Your surgery has been cancelled 3 times, be thankful.'

Britain is a rich country. I'm sorry you don't seem to like that.

 

[muhammad_isa]

'
Britain is a rich country. I'm sorry you don't seem to like that.

I don't want it to be a poor country.
..yet for the rich man to enter paradise, it is like the camel passing through the eye of a needle.

You don't know what you've got until it's gone.
..but you're right .. wealth literally stinks!

 

[Rival]

I don't want it to be a poor country.
..yet for the rich man to enter paradise, it is like the camel passing through the eye of a needle.

You don't know what you've got until it's gone.
..but you're right .. wealth literally stinks!

I don't think saying 'The NHS is bad and needs to be reformed' (essentially) is problematic, and many folks have already come to this conclusion.

And for some reason you want to rag on wealth, which is totally unrelated.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I don't think saying 'The NHS is bad and needs to be reformed' (essentially) is problematic, and many folks have already come to this conclusion.

And for some reason you want to rag on wealth, which is totally unrelated.

It was you who expects more from the NHS, as we are a rich country.
I merely imply that I think that people all over the world should expect to be treated in a similar manner, from a public health system, regardless of wealth.

 

[Rival]

It was you who expects more from the NHS, as we are a rich country.
I merely imply that I think that people all over the world should expect to be treated in a similar manner, from a public health system, regardless of wealth.

You misunderstood then.

Britain is a rich state. I didn't say the folks in it are rich. I mean that the state has enough money to reform and help the NHS give a better service, provide better medicines and higher standards of care.

Not sure why this is lost on you.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It is too expensive though.
How would you make it more affordable?

I don't know! The entire healthcare system in the US is a huge mess and needs to be overhauled. It simply doesn't work, like many things in this country. But it doesn't matter as nothing will change. Well, not for the better.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..I mean that the state has enough money to reform and help the NHS give a better service, provide better medicines and higher standards of care.

Really?
..and where does the state get its money from?
The state is a representation of the people, just as local council is also.
The money has to be raised through taxes .. and/or borrowed and paid back.

 

[Rival]

Really?
..and where does the state get its money from?
The state is a representation of the people, just as local council is also.
The money has to be raised through taxes .. and/or borrowed and paid back.

Sigh.

States get their money from lots of places.

Trade, empire, local economy etc. Rich states are rich for many reasons.

If you don't like it just say so.

Either way, GB has money and it could fund a better health service.

It just seems as if you think the NHS is a sacred cow.