Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory

[muhammad_isa]

The problem is that even if a small fraction of vaccinated people end up needing to be hospitalized after infection, that fraction could amount to tens or even hundreds of thousands of people--since the majority of the population are vaccinated--and still overwhelm the medical system.

I know that. I understand why govts. have to introduce precautionary measures.

However, this QR code scanning to check whether people are vaccinated or not, seems to me the tip of the iceburg.
Where does it all end?
It is just another nail in the coffin of an underclass.

In Germany, it is argued that it is rich people in rural communities who are unvaccinated.
Hmm .. something tells me that it is often the case of "the grass is greener on the other side".

I come from Bournemouth UK, and am assured in the Birmingham area they are all rich people there. I know for a fact that this not true.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Mandatory vaccination has been ruled constitutional before over a century ago. Not Breaking News: Mandatory Vaccination Has Been Constitutional for Over a Century

Of course it remains to be seen whether the current far right Court overturns y et another long-standing precedent.

Just because something is legal precedent does not mean it is moral or ethical or was even founded on good constitutional grounds. We've thrown out many such precedents. Dred Scott, for example. Precedent isn't some sacred thing that must be kept at all costs. It is good to reexamine things where needed. It is chilling that you cannot count on any one branch of the government to protect constitutional rights, however. We always hope that one or another branch will rein in the others when needed, as they should.

 

[Wildswanderer]

That's a total falsehood. It began with anti-Semitism and the history of pogroms and hatred.

It's time for people who care about truth to utterly reject such utter crap.

I agree. We need to reject the hatred and bias against the unvaccinated as the utter crap it is.
The current Anti-choice sediment is too close the racism.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I agree. We need to reject the hatred and bias against the unvaccinated as the utter crap it is.
The current Anti-choice sediment is too close the racism.

Even closer when you consider that most of the unjabbed are blacks and Latinos.

 

[Rival]

Even closer when you consider that most of the unjabbed are blacks and Latinos.

Basically poor people who have been screwed over and never trust the government saying 'It's for your own good' - it never usually is.

 

[InChrist]

It began with a vaccine mandate? Not according to any credible historian I know of.

There are valid reasons to be concerned about vaccine mandates and also valid reasons to support them. Comparisons to Nazi Germany are among neither.

It didn’t begin with a vaccine mandate. It did begin with scapegoating a certain group of people.

 

[SomeRandom]

Even closer when you consider that most of the unjabbed are blacks and Latinos.

Basically poor people who have been screwed over and never trust the government saying 'It's for your own good' - it never usually is.

You know whilst I agree that this is a known phenomenon and one that saddens me.
I wonder how much that has to do with how cutthroat the US medical system is (I mean no offence.)
Like it is run for profit in every single aspect. So in a sense I get the idea of finding “Big Pharma” suspect and greedy. Because it usually is. Especially in the US. I know there’s some options for those who can’t afford treatment. But it’s not like the NHS or even our version of Medicare.
Any citizen can just waltz on in and get all sorts of medicine, medication, treatment etc and just not think about payment. Because it rarely enters one’s mind here. You flash your Medicare card and depending on the seriousness of your injury/illness, often just walk right out. (Might be a bit of a line up at the moment.)
Like I’ve had a few scary trips to the ER during my life. I think my family spent more on vending machine chips than on the hospital stay itself. Sometimes all I had to do was show ID for record purposes and that was that. No payment needed. Taxes and all that jazz

You know that joke about breaking bad? If it were remade in literally any other civilised country, it would be a slice of life drama about a man getting cancer treatment.
I’m curious on your thoughts. Has this eroded faith in the system to a great degree?
I mean I’m sure there’s other factors, but that seems to be a biggie. At least from an outsider’s perspective

 

[Rival]

You know whilst I agree that this is a known phenomenon and one that saddens me.
I wonder how much that has to do with how cutthroat the US medical system is (I mean no offence.)
Like it is run for profit in every single aspect. So in a sense I get the idea of finding “Big Pharma” suspect and greedy. Because it usually is. Especially in the US. I know there’s some options for those who can’t afford treatment. But it’s not like the NHS or even our version of Medicare.
Any citizen can just waltz on in and get all sorts of medicine, medication, treatment etc and just not think about payment. Because it rarely enters one’s mind here. You flash your Medicare card and depending on the seriousness of your injury/illness, often just walk right out. (Might be a bit of a line up at the moment.)
Like I’ve had a few scary trips to the ER during my life. I think my family spent more on vending machine chips than on the hospital stay itself. Sometimes all I had to do was show ID for record purposes and that was that. No payment needed. Taxes and all that jazz

You know that joke about breaking bad? If it were remade in literally any other civilised country, it would be a slice of life drama about a man getting cancer treatment.
I’m curious on your thoughts. Has this eroded faith in the system to a great degree?
I mean I’m sure there’s other factors, but that seems to be a biggie. At least from an outsider’s perspective

I'm not the NHS' biggest fan.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You know whilst I agree that this is a known phenomenon and one that saddens me.
I wonder how much that has to do with how cutthroat the US medical system is (I mean no offence.)
Like it is run for profit in every single aspect. So in a sense I get the idea of finding “Big Pharma” suspect and greedy. Because it usually is. Especially in the US. I know there’s some options for those who can’t afford treatment. But it’s not like the NHS or even our version of Medicare.
Any citizen can just waltz on in and get all sorts of medicine, medication, treatment etc and just not think about payment. Because it rarely enters one’s mind here. You flash your Medicare card and depending on the seriousness of your injury/illness, often just walk right out. (Might be a bit of a line up at the moment.)
Like I’ve had a few scary trips to the ER during my life. I think my family spent more on vending machine chips than on the hospital stay itself. Sometimes all I had to do was show ID for record purposes and that was that. No payment needed. Taxes and all that jazz

You know that joke about breaking bad? If it were remade in literally any other civilised country, it would be a slice of life drama about a man getting cancer treatment.
I’m curious on your thoughts. Has this eroded faith in the system to a great degree?
I mean I’m sure there’s other factors, but that seems to be a biggie. At least from an outsider’s perspective

I don't have much faith in the medical system due to my own experiences with it. I've had doctors who were quacks, been on psych medication for years that crippled me psychologically and sent me through horrible withdrawal, had bad medication interactions that gave me grand mal seizures and caused me to have a serious shoulder injury that has basically ruined my arm from collapsing on it and been treated generally disrespectfully by doctors in the past. Then there's insurance that refuses to cover needed medications or procedures. I'm still not having my needs met.

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm not the NHS' biggest fan.

Can I ask why?

 

[SomeRandom]

I don't have much faith in the medical system due to my own experiences with it. I've had doctors who were quacks, been on psych medication for years that crippled me psychologically and sent me through horrible withdrawal, had bad medication interactions that gave me grand mal seizures and caused me to have a serious shoulder injury that has basically ruined my arm from collapsing on it and been treated generally disrespectfully by doctors in the past. Then there's insurance that refuses to cover needed medications or procedures. I'm still not having my needs met.

Honestly. I don’t blame you for having no faith in the system. I don’t think I would if that happened to me

 

[Sedim Haba]

Article: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory - CNN

Honestly this all seems (and they also mention the fining planned for Greece) rather like an overreaction to me. Do y'all think this will come to the US? Either mandatory vaccinations nationwide or a monthly fine for not being vaccinated.

hey, it's Germany. maybe they'll eventually move the unvaccinated to special camps. they're experts at that.

 

[muhammad_isa]

hey, it's Germany. maybe they'll eventually move the unvaccinated to special camps. they're experts at that.

This weekend, the Australian army began shifting covid-infected people into state-run camps. Parts of the Northern Territories of Australia have entered a ‘hard lockdown’, in which nobody can leave their house for any reason at all except for urgent medical treatment. Those who have contracted the virus, or simply been in contact with someone who has, will now be forcibly ‘transferred’ by soldiers to a government-run camp where they will be held until the state decrees they are safe enough to be released.

These ‘mandatory supervised quarantine facilities’ have been used to quarantine incoming travellers for the last year. Now they are being used to 'contain' Australian citizens.

 

[ecco]

People who are vaccinated can also contract the virus, so no .. it doesn't follow that it can no longer mutate.

You do not understand the concept of odds and probability.

Are you advocating that travel in future should only be permitted from high vaccination countries?

All travel should require people to be vaccinated and tested.

There are many reasons why certain diseases no longer pose a major threat to mankind.
Vaccination is merely one of them.

Name some others.

80% of the whole world, or 80% of one particular nation?

80% of the hypothetical people in the example I gave.

Is there a language problem? If so, OK. If not...

 

[ecco]

hey, it's Germany. maybe they'll eventually move the unvaccinated to special camps. they're experts at that.

That's not a bad idea. However, it would be easier to just jab them and release them.

 

[ecco]

I wouldn't be surprised. Only an authoritarian and totalitarian entity would willingly go through with something like that.

If people are too ignorant and selfish to care for society, perhaps they need a good kick in the ***, or, at least, a forced jab in the arm.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You do not understand the concept of odds and probability.

Of course I do.

All travel should require people to be vaccinated and tested.

Fair enough..

Name some others.

Quarantine, for one.
Improving air quality and ventilation another.
I could go on.

Is there a language problem?

Alright, calm down..

 

[Wildswanderer]

If people are too ignorant and selfish to care for society, perhaps they need a good kick in the ***, or, at least, a forced jab in the arm.

Spoken like a true Nazi.

 

[Lain]

It's amazing to see the fears of those called "fear-mongers" or "conspiracy theorists" confirmed over time before one's own eyes. This is one of the main side-benefits of getting older.

 

[Rival]

Can I ask why?

It's not a very efficient system at all.

It makes constant claims to be underfunded but the funding has pretty much only ever increased year on year, and yet every year we're bombarded with 'the NHS is being failed' - usually by the Tory government - the same Tory government that gave them nearly more money than they've ever been given in their whole existence.

The staff are not brilliant. I don't mean to offend anyone who may work for the NHS but my experience with this service has been beyond a joke. As well as rude service staff, I've found that GPs don't care to give you follow ups, no-one ever rings you, no-one ever gets through to you on a personal basis (they will send generic texts); the level of care is shoddy and half-hearted; they don't seem to want to bother and it's very strange. Then again, I despise pill-based medical systems and value more holistic based approaches that don't reach for pills first. Good luck getting that kind of service with the NHS.

The NHS is often used as a battering ram against anyone who dares be a little more conservative. I used to agree that it is the best kind of medical system, but throughout these last two years I've become convinced that a health system tied to the government is probably one of the worst ideas in the world. That's not to say there's no private healthcare here, there is - but it's very expensive. The NHS can become a tool for government health propaganda, so good luck finding any alternate opinions from another doctor like you can in other countries.