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Why do some people

Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
osgart said:
You mean like Spy vs. Spy in Mad magazine kind of fight.

I know enough about RF to realize that you like to stir things up.
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Not sure, spy v spy?
Anyway, just jumping up and down, not serious.

But yeah...its not a good quality in me.


I used to be so full of anger, esp with men,
I took it out on people who totally didn't deserve it.

Its just kind of an echo of that in me now.

Notice i wasnt trying to stir anything up with you!

Anyway good reminder.

"Be nice, Audie"
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
osgart said:
Nature is quite a mess though. I'll concede that much.
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Yep.

You know what kind of unnerves me in
nature? The properties of water.

If something i know of tipped me toward,
Like, " OK Boss, Im on to you, this cant be natural", its water.
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Audie said:
Not sure, spy v spy?
Anyway, just jumping up and down, not serious.

But yeah...its not a good quality in me.


I used to be so full of anger, esp with men,
I took it out on people who totally didn't deserve it.

Its just kind of an echo of that in me now.

Notice i wasnt trying to stir anything up with you!

Anyway good reminder.

"Be nice, Audie"
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I kinda feel there's justified anger. But I don't know if it helps things or not.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
osgart said:
I kinda feel there's justified anger. But I don't know if it helps things or not.
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I was traumatized by the man who hurt me.
I saw every man as a big danger. Hyper vigilance, panic attacks. All that.
Couldnt help this seething fury toward men.

Im actually married now so...

Things are better.
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Audie said:
Yep.

You know what kind of unnerves me in
nature? The properties of water.

If something i know of tipped me toward,
Like, " OK Boss, Im on to you, this cant be natural", its water.
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Why's that?
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Audie said:
I was traumatized by the man who hurt me.
I saw every man as a big danger. Hyper vigilance, panic attacks. All that.
Couldnt help this seething fury toward men.

Im actually married now so...

Things are better.
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That's inspiring.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Conscious thoughts said:
Why do some people think that using science to "explain" any form of theism is a right way to understand belief in a God?

In discussion of theism science are useless since science do not "know" the unseen, so they can not verify a "result" if religion or spiritual teaching is discussed it has to be done by the teaching of each spiritual teaching. Not by use of science.
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I'm in 2 minds on this. It really depends on the claim, I think.

A Catholic belief in transubstantiation could fall into a theistic belief that science can validate.
A Deistic God, not so much.
Faith Healing, yup.
Panentheism, nup.
Conversion therapy, yup...

Well...you get the idea.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Lain said:
In my opinion it's because in reality they (speaking of "theists" who do this and not others) are naturalists and that's how they operate almost all the time, so there is no reason for them to cease when it comes to God. It is their habit of mind and the permanent disposition of their soul.

Yet on the contrary St. Paul says: "the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

They should get their act together and witness God which perhaps would fix their issue, in my opinion.
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Heh...I chuckled.
There's some truth to this in some cases, but I don't think it's often the case, to be honest. Entirely opinionative, and I might be somewhat coloured by my own thoughts. Just because I'm an atheist doesn't make me representative of atheists. But still...

Atheists are entirely not operating as 'naturalists' at all times. I know one who believes in ghosts and an afterlife (don't ask me...makes no sense in my mind).
I operate more as a 'standard' atheist, but dislike reductionism, and think that breaking things down into component parts misses the point. I love my kids...working out what chemical or neuron is firing strikes me as missing the point.

So, in the realm of love, I'm not a naturalist of the type you seem to be implying. Perhaps it's more that an absence of love appears easier to discern that an absence of God. But I think, actually, it's the specific and contradictory belief claims made about God that are the real impacting item here.

Not all claims made about God are correct. I know that to be true. So I am deciding which to believe. I'm measuring them against one another. And that is what leads me to rationalisation. Not really science, of course, but some attempt to measure these beliefs off against each other.

Again...just my opinion.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Lain said:
In my opinion it's because in reality they (speaking of "theists" who do this and not others) are naturalists and that's how they operate almost all the time, so there is no reason for them to cease when it comes to God. It is their habit of mind and the permanent disposition of their soul.

Yet on the contrary St. Paul says: "the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

They should get their act together and witness God which perhaps would fix their issue, in my opinion.
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And it's odd (not usual) that Paul had a rather stunning vision of the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
lewisnotmiller said:
Heh...I chuckled.
There's some truth to this in some cases, but I don't think it's often the case, to be honest. Entirely opinionative, and I might be somewhat coloured by my own thoughts. Just because I'm an atheist doesn't make me representative of atheists. But still...

Atheists are entirely not operating as 'naturalists' at all times. I know one who believes in ghosts and an afterlife (don't ask me...makes no sense in my mind).
I operate more as a 'standard' atheist, but dislike reductionism, and think that breaking things down into component parts misses the point. I love my kids...working out what chemical or neuron is firing strikes me as missing the point.

So, in the realm of love, I'm not a naturalist of the type you seem to be implying. Perhaps it's more that an absence of love appears easier to discern that an absence of God. But I think, actually, it's the specific and contradictory belief claims made about God that are the real impacting item here.

Not all claims made about God are correct. I know that to be true. So I am deciding which to believe. I'm measuring them against one another. And that is what leads me to rationalisation. Not really science, of course, but some attempt to measure these beliefs off against each other.

Again...just my opinion.
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You know, that's interesting, because the Bible says that God is love. :)
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
lewisnotmiller said:
Doesn't JUST say that, though. And whilst I'll willingly admit I've seen loving Christians, I've seen loving Hindus, Buddhists...heck, even atheists...
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Not saying no. If I'm carrying a heavy package and someone offers to help me, I consider that as loving, considering the Bible's saying that God IS love.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
lewisnotmiller said:
I'm measuring them against one another.
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Measuring monotheistic religions against one another, IMHO, does not carry much meaning. God sent his rules/message through prophets/son/messengers/manifestations/mahdis/later-day-saints. They just have one format. Compare it with other religions.
 
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