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Why do some people

Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Why do some people think that using science to "explain" any form of theism is a right way to understand belief in a God?

In discussion of theism science are useless since science do not "know" the unseen, so they can not verify a "result" if religion or spiritual teaching is discussed it has to be done by the teaching of each spiritual teaching. Not by use of science.
 
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Lain

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Conscious thoughts said:
Why do some people think that using science to "explain" any form of theism is a right way to understand belief in a God?

In discussion of theism science are useless since science do not "know" the unseen, so they can not verify a "result" if religion or spiritual teaching is discussed it has to be done by the teaching of each spiritual teaching. Not by use of science.
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In my opinion it's because in reality they (speaking of "theists" who do this and not others) are naturalists and that's how they operate almost all the time, so there is no reason for them to cease when it comes to God. It is their habit of mind and the permanent disposition of their soul.

Yet on the contrary St. Paul says: "the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

They should get their act together and witness God which perhaps would fix their issue, in my opinion.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Conscious thoughts said:
In discussion of theism science are useless since science do not "know" the unseen, so they can not verify a "result" if religion or spiritual teaching is discussed it has to be done by the teaching of each spiritual teaching. Not by use of science.
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Beg to differ. Even with theists the unseen is unseen. What is the guarantee that the spiritual teaching is right or wrong? Even Charles Manson or people like him have/had their spiritual teaching. A check about what is being taught or believed, IMHO, is necessary.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Aupmanyav said:
Beg to differ. Even with theists the unseen is unseen. What is the guarantee that the spiritual teaching is right or wrong? Even Charles Manson or people like him have/had their spiritual teaching. A check about what is being taught or believed, IMHO, is necessary.
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It is a belief in a God and its teaching, the practitioner take with them the part of the teaching that they understand to be important in their own life.
The teaching they do not understand is discussed with a spiritual teacher, or fellow practitioner of chosen belief.

It is a awaken to whom we truly are as beings.

If someone do not believe in the way a practitioner do, that should be accepted by both sides.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Conscious thoughts said:
Why do some people think that using science to "explain" any form of theism is a right way to understand belief in a God?

In discussion of theism science are useless since science do not "know" the unseen, so they can not verify a "result" if religion or spiritual teaching is discussed it has to be done by the teaching of each spiritual teaching. Not by use of science.
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I believe atheists demand what they already know they can't have, because they already know they can't have it. It's not dissimilar to religious fundamentalists that claim God wrote their Bible, so that they can claim their interpretation of it is absolute and unassailable.
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
PureX said:
I believe atheists demand what they already know they can't have, because they already know they can't have it. It's not dissimilar to religious fundamentalists that claim God wrote their Bible, so that they can claim their interpretation of it is absolute and unassailable.
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It is not like that, PureX. I believe that 'physical energy' is the only building block in the universe and that all that exists is that only. That is the best available theory supported by science, that is why I believe that. It is not that there is no support for it. I understand that there is more to know. Can the theists show even that much? Incidentally, Hindus term 'what exists' as Brahman.
 
Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

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Aupmanyav said:
It is not like that, PureX. I believe that 'physical energy' is the only building block in the universe and that all that exists is that only. That is the best available theory supported by science, that is why I believe that. It is not that there is no support for it. I understand that there is more to know. Can the theists show even that much? Incidentally, Hindus term 'what exists' as Brahman.
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You said something very Important, you said "I believe that physical energy" that means you also believe. Just like theists believe in God.
 
RestlessSoul

RestlessSoul

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Aupmanyav said:
It is not like that, PureX. I believe that 'physical energy' is the only building block in the universe and that all that exists is that only. That is the best available theory supported by science, that is why I believe that. It is not that there is no support for it. I understand that there is more to know. Can the theists show even that much? Incidentally, Hindus term 'what exists' as Brahman.
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You say that you believe this because it’s the best theory supported by science, but don’t you at least find it curious that the last 100 years of scientific theory tallies so closely with millennia old scripture from your own country? How did those ancient Vedic philosophers know that the material world, far from being compromised of seemingly separate and disjointed objects and creatures, was one huge kaleidoscope of intrinsically connected phenomena? How did they know that everything from a butterfly on earth to a storm on a distant star, was intimately connected?
And how did they know about the existence of the atom? Nuclear physics didn’t tell them this.
 
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mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Conscious thoughts said:
Why do some people think that using science to "explain" any form of theism is a right way to understand belief in a God?

In discussion of theism science are useless since science do not "know" the unseen, so they can not verify a "result" if religion or spiritual teaching is discussed it has to be done by the teaching of each spiritual teaching. Not by use of science.
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Short answer. IMO there is no one method for right answers for everybody for all of the everyday world. And that is so for science, philosophy and religion alike. All 3 have their usage as long as you understand the limit of all 3.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Conscious thoughts said:
Why do some people think that using science to "explain" any form of theism is a right way to understand belief in a God?

In discussion of theism science are useless since science do not "know" the unseen, so they can not verify a "result" if religion or spiritual teaching is discussed it has to be done by the teaching of each spiritual teaching. Not by use of science.
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You can't know the unseen either.

By definition, anything you see is not "the unseen."
 
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