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Krampusnacht

The Hammer

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Premium Member
KRAMPUSNACHT - December 5

Blessed Krampusnacht everyone. Hope you've been good boys and girls this year. Or else you'll get the whippings tonight.

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Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Krampusnacht is literally not a thing and the term was only made up for cultureless foreign tourists.
Stop appropriating Alpine culture if you've never been beaten up by them in early December.

The name Krampus is derived from the German word krampen, which means “claw.”

Ugh. Americans.
 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
Krampusnacht is literally not a thing and the term was only made up for cultureless foreign tourists.
Stop appropriating Alpine culture if you've never been beaten up by them in early December.



Ugh. Americans.

Feel free to share the true history if you'd like..
 
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Flankerl

Well-Known Member
Feel free to share the true history if you'd like..

Oh you mean from someone who actually grew up with it?
Okay: Perchten/Krampus/Tuifl/Kramperl/Bartl/Miglo/Parkelj are a localised tradition in the Alpine Region which goes back to pre-Christian folklore.
Since there is a manifold number of names there is no singular source for them.
Traditions vary from region to region, let alone village to village.
But generally it takes place from late November to Christmas and sometimes early January.
There are more civil celebrations which have been cut down for tourists and then there's the stuff in the villages.



"It's in an English source therefore it's true" is really bad.
Especially about a topic the English world didn't even know the existence of 8 years ago.
Just compare the German and English wikipedia entries on the length alone.
Bonus point for finding "Krampusnacht" anywhere in the German entry.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Krampusnacht is literally not a thing and the term was only made up for cultureless foreign tourists.
Stop appropriating Alpine culture if you've never been beaten up by them in early December.

Oh you mean from someone who actually grew up with it?
Okay: Perchten/Krampus/Tuifl/Kramperl/Bartl/Miglo/Parkelj are a localised tradition in the Alpine Region which goes back to pre-Christian folklore.
Since there is a manifold number of names there is no singular source for them.
Traditions vary from region to region, let alone village to village.
But generally it takes place from late November to Christmas and sometimes early January.
There are more civil celebrations which have been cut down for tourists and then there's the stuff in the villages.

So it sounds like it is a modern interpretation of older traditions that didn't have the same name? It looks like the first Krampus festival in Austria occurred in 2013:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetravel.com/krampus-festival-austria-what-is-it/amp/

I am curious about what "stuff in the villages" are...
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
So it sounds like it is a modern interpretation of older traditions that didn't have the same name?

No?
There's simply no uniform tradition.


It looks like the first Krampus festival in Austria occurred in 2013:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetravel.com/krampus-festival-austria-what-is-it/amp/

No?
What is even a Krampus festival?


I am curious about what "stuff in the villages" are...

 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
Oh you mean from someone who actually grew up with it?
Okay: Perchten/Krampus/Tuifl/Kramperl/Bartl/Miglo/Parkelj are a localised tradition in the Alpine Region which goes back to pre-Christian folklore.
Since there is a manifold number of names there is no singular source for them.
Traditions vary from region to region, let alone village to village.
But generally it takes place from late November to Christmas and sometimes early January.
There are more civil celebrations which have been cut down for tourists and then there's the stuff in the villages.




"It's in an English source therefore it's true" is really bad.
Especially about a topic the English world didn't even know the existence of 8 years ago.
Just compare the German and English wikipedia entries on the length alone.
Bonus point for finding "Krampusnacht" anywhere in the German entry.

Are you just here to be antagonistic?

If so, I'll leave you and the thread be.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Here is some more background on it from National Geographic.

Who is Krampus? Explaining Santa Claus's Scary Christmas Counterpart

I saw that, but wanted to engage more
:). While I want to respect Flankerl's assertions of her culture, I find it difficult to believe that Krampus is simply an American concoction. I will buy that the larger interest and festivals dedicated to the myth may be a modern phenomenon sparked by the movie, but there are depictions of this figure well before that time:

ANNO, Wiener Bilder, 1896-12-06, Seite 1
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
There is no mythological figure fitting the idea of "Krampus"?

No there isn't one because all the different names come from different root words.


I've never seen one myself, but they apparently do occur. The article describes it.

I am not sure you read the article.
There is no singular "Krampus Festival". The English speaking article simply calls the various festivities spread over eight different countries the "Krampus Festival" with which they mean what happens around the 6th December.

Also literally no one calls them "Krampus/Perchten/whatever Fest" in these countries.


I can't access the video now due to where I am, but that looks...interesting from the still. :)

Entirely depends how you feel about being hit with a branch.



While I want to respect Flankerl's assertions of her culture, I find it difficult to believe that Krampus is simply an American concoction.

Good luck providing evidence that I wrote that.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
No there isn't one because all the different names come from different root words.


I am not sure you read the article.
There is no singular "Krampus Festival". The English speaking article simply calls the various festivities spread over eight different countries the "Krampus Festival" with which they mean what happens around the 6th December.

Also literally no one calls them "Krampus/Perchten/whatever Fest" in these countries.

I read the article enough to glean that the festivals involving big, horned, hairy folk during this time of year do occur, though it appears to be a recent phenomenon.

I guess the name doesn't bother me, though given that "Krampus" does appear to be used at least in Austria and at least as early as the late 1800s, it doesn't seem that far out there to refer to these things by that moniker.

However, I will defer to someone native to the region. :)

Entirely depends how you feel about being hit with a branch.

Don't get into the Eros room much, do you? :D

Good luck providing evidence that I wrote that.

I don't feel the need to. I extrapolated that from post #3. I could have misread.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
I read the article enough to glean that the festivals involving big, horned, hairy folk during this time of year do occur, though it appears to be a recent phenomenon.

Oh for crying out loud

THE TRADITION OF PERCHTEN/TUIFL/BARTL/PARKELJ/KRAMPUS/MIGLO IS OVER A THOUSAND YEARS OLD
IT PROBABLY GOES BACK TO PRE-CHRISTIAN TIMES

I guess the name doesn't bother me, though given that "Krampus" does appear to be used at least in Austria and at least as early as the late 1800s, it doesn't seem that far out there to refer to these things by that moniker.

The term Krampus isn't even used throughout Austria let alone the entire Alps.


I don't feel the need to. I extrapolated that from post #3. I could have misread.

You are misreading pretty much everything.
I wrote about the term "Krampusnacht" being a recent invention. Not the activity throughout the Advent time.
There are also no Krampus Festivals except probably in the US.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Oh for crying out loud

THE TRADITION OF PERCHTEN/TUIFL/BARTL/PARKELJ/KRAMPUS/MIGLO IS OVER A THOUSAND YEARS OLD
IT PROBABLY GOES BACK TO PRE-CHRISTIAN TIMES

And they had festivals based on the figures, then? Or is that just a recent thing? I concede the article could be mistaken. I also suspect that the confusion may just be arising from the term "Krampus"?

The term Krampus isn't even used throughout Austria let alone the entire Alps.

This is purportedly from a newspaper in Vienna 1896. Unless I am mistaken, it appears to depict a hairy horned figure with the term "Krampus" being applied:

ANNO, Wiener Bilder, 1896-12-06, Seite 1

You are misreading pretty much everything.
I wrote about the term "Krampusnacht" being a recent invention. Not the activity throughout the Advent time.
There are also no Krampus Festivals except probably in the US.

So then I take it this website from Salzburg with information about a festival is invoking the moniker "Krampus" mainly for tourists?

Krampus und Percht : Advent in Salzburg : salzburg.info
 
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Flankerl

Well-Known Member
And they had festivals based on the figures, then? Or is that just a recent thing? I concede the article could be mistaken. I also suspect that the confusion may just be arising from the term "Krampus"?

No they simply aren't festivals about the figures.
The figures accompany the Nicholas celebrations.


This is purportedly from a newspaper in Vienna 1896. Unless I am mistaken, it appears to depict a hairy horned figure with the term "Krampus" being applied:
So then I take it this website from Salzburg with information about a festival is invoking the moniker "Krampus" mainly for tourists?

You are really testing my patience. Is that on purpose?
Vienna is not all of Austria. Salzburg is not all of Austria.

And yes the stuff in the bigger cities is quite literally for tourists.
 
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