You can not find God as a physical being

[Altfish]

It's really impossible to capture the ineffable in words. If I've never had the experience of a headache and you tell me you have one. I can ask for a definition of what it feels like. You can describe characteristics and offer the science about what is going on, but the full meaning of a headache can't be communicated fully.

If I too have had one, then I know immediately what you're talking about without further explanation.

That is why there are statements like:
Kabir says: Student, tell me, what is God?
He is the breath inside the breath."

(and)

He is the "sun behind the sun behind the sun"

So, it is a waste of time asking the question.

 

[Altfish]

You will have your answer the day you yourself realize God within you.

Is it any wonder atheists stop asking the question when you get answers like that.
A total waste of time.

 

[Altfish]

What about the definitions you have received don't make sense? I've asked people that lots of times and I can not recall a time when their definition didn't make sense. How are the definitions not convincing?

Give me an example.
When people start talking about "feeling him within" and "You'll know when you find him" - you know it is all b*lls**t

 

[Spirit of Light]

Is it any wonder atheists stop asking the question when you get answers like that.
A total waste of time.

I answered you this way, because ,there is no way I can tell you, how you should understand God, you have to do the transformation from within you, and only spiritual practice can do that.
I can only give answer according to my understanding, and that may not be agreeable for you to understand.

 

[Lain]

Give me an example.
When people start talking about "feeling him within" and "You'll know when you find him" - you know it is all b*lls**t

I agree.

Various answers I've heard are: "God is everything that exists," or "God is the Universal Mind, all that exists is His thought" (from an idealist who denied "matter" as being real), "the eternal cause of everything" (in a very deist way, did not personalize the thing at all), "spirits who run the world" (many gods, basically just a mind without a body that doesn't die). All of those seemed pretty definite to me, I could comprehend what they were trying to say and what exactly they were referring to.

 

[Altfish]

I answered you this way, because ,there is no way I can tell you, how you should understand God, you have to do the transformation from within you, and only spiritual practice can do that.
I can only give answer according to my understanding, and that may not be agreeable for you to understand.

Exactly - so why are you surprised by atheists showing incredulity at such explanations.
Now do you understand why atheists can't buy into this fancy thinking.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Exactly - so why are you surprised by atheists showing incredulity at such explanations.
Now do you understand why atheists can't buy into this fancy thinking.

I am no longer surprised, and I have accepted that no matter how a believer try to explain their belief it will never be "good enough" for some atheists.

And that is no problem to me anymore, I will just keep believing the way I do. No need to explain

 

[Koldo]

Through practicing the sufi Scripture and zikr (form of meditation)

What do you mean exactly?

I asked you something like: "How do you figure this is the remedy he is supposed to take?", and your answer was like "Because of Medicine School.". Sure, but what specifically? I want to know your line of reasoning, not just some vague explanation.

 

[sun rise]

This thread has unfortunately devolved into another session of atheists telling theists that what they write makes zero sense rather then sticking to the interesting OP question. Maybe it should have been labeled "theists only" :

With this i mean the God many seeking is not there to be found, the God I become familiar with arise from within the practitioner of a spiritual teaching.

So by seeking outward you will not find God, the quality of God is within you.
God is a state of consciousness. Only by realizing the God consciousness will you see God.

Only when you find God you will know yourself, only by knowing yourself will you know God.

Any thoughts?

 

[rational experiences]

Basic human advice.

God in theism a human thinking within their human mind brain states what God is as self compared. Just a human.

God is God. A human not God.

Pretty basic advice since when did we have any cosmic journey into the state energy mass bodies present?

Now who uses the state gas of heavens or earth mass in science resource inventions?

Humans only.

Human says I am only a human theorising states of God. I am not God.

Then reacts them in inventions uses up the energy for inventions. Exact. Energy is for invention machines.

Then he arrives at cosmic dreaming. Says falsely if I can travel the cosmos then I have to be a God also.

Asides from o planets... mass ..sun mass ...stars mass... gases.

I too am some form of a God.

Yet a human lives not in cosmos states or space. Did not own energy bodies burning cooling in space.

As gods had. God form human taught theism.

So you have to query the human belief. Do a review what happened to your mind?

Are you grounded is what we ask where you walk?

No they say like drugs I am free floating seeing.

Oh so your mind body has been chemically altered so feelings change?

Yes.

Why?

As the machine designer humans theoried to change radiation cooled transmitters. Cool transmitters don't affect our brain chemicals.

Introduced extra radio wave transmitting change to gods mass gas forms. Was by human design. Owner brain chemistry the designer of change to God.

An effect he says.

Why you falsely claim you travel as a God. Human and cosmos not reality.

God the state owned first transmitting recording of all things. Alight or dark. Evil or holy... living or dead.

As proof no man is the state God.

We were mind affected.

So you ask a human. Why were you told you minds were affected by causes of change?

So you would not falsify living of life conditions.

Being grounded and balanced was a human teaching to humans false belief as humans only.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

With this i mean the God many seeking is not there to be found, the God I become familiar with arise from within the practitioner of a spiritual teaching.

So by seeking outward you will not find God, the quality of God is within you.
God is a state of consciousness. Only by realizing the God consciousness will you see God.

Only when you find God you will know yourself, only by knowing yourself will you know God.

Any thoughts?

But can you find God as any sort of "being" at all? By which I mean to suggest that "being" is essentially the same thing as existing -- and if you can't find that something exists, whyever would you suppose that it has "being?"

 

[Brian2]

My personal belief is that the higher self ( not ego) exist in a different realm, but human ego keep us " in the body "

I find the term "ego" to be vague.
I believe humans were created with body, mind and spirit and the totality of that is what we are.
It is not that we are only part of that.
My belief is that God things have been distorted in humans and God is seeking to bring things back into line and harmony so that the body, mind and spirit are in harmony and follow what God wants.
This will be easier for us in the resurrection when we will be able to control our bodies and when we know the truth.

 

[Brian2]

Is "humans" what you are in your true nature? It's not what I am.

Yes I am a human imo.
What are you? I know your icon looks like an alien owl but I bet you also are a human.
imo my true nature is a created nature.
As a Christian I believe God has given me His Spirit to join with mine so that I am an adopted child of God and taste the divinity that belongs to God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but I remain created, even as a new creation, as a Christian.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This thread has unfortunately devolved into another session of atheists telling theists that what they write makes zero sense rather then sticking to the interesting OP question. Maybe it should have been labeled "theists only" :

A prerequisite for conversation is that all people have the same foundation and definition to make conversations make sense.

So, if any believer wants to have a coherent convo the vague language needs to be more specific. It's not that they don't take theists' answers (no victim card), just when you invite conversation it shouldn't be with people who mirror your thinking. We learn more from clarifying our points and if ones religion is their life (any theist) articulating it would be clear cut.

What can you learn in a DIR when youre just reflecting off people who agree and understand you?...

Questions are fine but if the expectation is "I already know what they will say" it's stereotyping (lbw) and missing the point behind the questioning.

 

[Brian2]

Kabir says: Student, tell me, what is God?
He is the breath inside the breath."

(and)

Search in the heart, in the heart alone:
There live Ram and Karim.
Which is false, Quran or Veda?
False is the darkened view.
It is one, one in every body.
How did you make it two?
Every man and woman born
They are all your forms, says Kabir

I believe we certainly have a nature that was made for relationship with and affinity for God, but we also have a side that fights against that and some of us choose and want the dark side and in fact it looks appealing to us, to the carnal side of our nature.
Coming to the truth and controlling the carnal side is our calling.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I ask all the time, "Define god", "What do you mean by god?", etc. I have yet to receive a convincing answer that makes sense.

So, I'll fall for it ... How, Unveiled Artist, do you define god?

As a being or entity? I have no clue. I never had any believer describe an entity or being. When I ask deeper it gets more vague. But the closest is God is an "experience" that changes your life, your values, how you view things, and criteria you measure your life on.

I'm sure you experienced it but all the spiritual jargon is throwing it off.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I ask all the time, "Define god", "What do you mean by god?", etc. I have yet to receive a convincing answer that makes sense.

So, I'll fall for it ... How, Unveiled Artist, do you define god?

It's the experience where you reconciled past grievances or accept them, learned ways to manage anger or other emotions, build healthy lifestyle habits, change thinking to where it aligns with your morals and who you want to be. It's saying sorry to those you wronged and forgiving those who wronged you. Aka. not holding grudges.

It's addressing your physical and mental well-being and the experience you get as a result of hard work is what people mean when they experience and talk about God.

I've only met a couple of people who got to that point. Some more gradual than others. Depends on the person's life experiences.

Spiritual jargon is pretty much just that. What is it that makes your life whole? To me, if I can't answer a spiritual question as confident as I can a mundane one it's not a fact just a belief. Beliefs change.

God is just a placeholder. That's my understanding (no pun). Everyone is different.

 

[firedragon]

Exactly - so why are you surprised by atheists showing incredulity at such explanations.

How do you explain love for your wife or husband? Chemicals? Is that how you find love within you? Can you provide a technical understanding?

 

[rational experiences]

Basic info.

Energy is mass.

I do not exist as any type of mass as a human.

Hence if I am not a part of mass in any type of mass presence then I came from somewhere else.

Science abstracts science only from mass.

Hence it is not my spiritual self subject. A human.

Science is the only human mind who as a human will not accept the answer.

So we do an appraisal of their behaviours as ours human is loving naturally. We don't question or look for love. Living naturally. Here by human sex only. Our two human parents living. First ever two human parents deceased.

Pretty basic get over yourself human egotists motivated by your evil claim I will know everything under the banner God is everything.

You have named how many different statuses in science?

Write yourself a list. Name all variations of bodies science says belongs to his human science practice. As the everything or anything you said was gods.

Then ask yourself what are you now looking for claiming another God source?

Anything or everything.

Really are sick minded.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

With this i mean the God many seeking is not there to be found...

Agreed!!!!



And yeah, I snipped that out of context for my own amusement. I know what you meant, and if I imagined that there IS a God (kinda hard for me to do) then I agree in broad terms with you.

But it was more fun for me to take you out of context. Sorry for the mischief!!