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I hope God saves the Earth from heat death

Nimos

Well-Known Member
But nothing is lost and nothing is gained , the kinetic energy max does not change , 60 billion tons of methane can absorb kmax=hf/V

Now it doesn't matter if you fragment that volume , the total kmax doesn't change .
No clue what that means. Can you explain it in plain English for those of us that are not strong in the realm of physics? :D
 

TheBrokenSoul

Active Member
In simple English, without all the fluff and nonsense

Clouds are made of water droplets. Within a cloud, water droplets condense onto one another, causing the droplets to grow. Become to dense to stay put so fall to the downward.
In simple language perhaps for a primary school student !

They are pulled to the ground because the mass of the condensed droplets is attracted to the mass of the ground and the mass of the ground is attracted to the condensed droplets . Because they lose their high energy state they become attracted to the higher energy state of the ground . The clouds hang becuase they are being attracted to the ground and attracted to upwards at the same time , this is called a critical balance .
 

TheBrokenSoul

Active Member
No clue what that means. Can you explain it in plain English for those of us that are not strong in the realm of physics? :D
I have 60 billion water bottles and divide them by 60 billion people , the total of the water bottles weight never changes , the total amount of water that fills the water bottles never changes .

mhf^3/V which is mass times 1 eV /V calculated using a single point, in 3 dimensional analysis see diagram, a precise cubick measure .

Mass times high frequency photon cubed divided by volume is the process we are talking about .
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ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
So you are going to explain fire now then for the readers and why it is directed upwards ?

It's because it heats the air around it, hot air rises (because it's less dense), so colder air is drawn in from below. Hence a cycle of colder air being heated up and flowing up, keeps the flame pointing upwards. no quantum physics or gibberish required.
When contradiction or newer evidence is discovered that is called applying science . I await your version of fire if you say I am incorrect which I am not .

You have posted not evidence and pointed out no contradictions. All you have shown is that you know nothing about physics.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
That is because the epoch of recombination increases the density and mass over the volume . The evaporated particles of water in motion experience an exothermic process and once the particles lose the high energy state in energy transition becoming a less energy state , the gravitaional mass force of the particles is increased again and they become more attractive to each other and recombine .

Have you written some sort of script that just takes science terms and randomly puts them into sentences?

The "epoch of recombination" refers to a time about 370,000 years after the big bang, when the universe became cool enough for the first atoms of hydrogen to be formed.

Recombination (cosmology) - Wikipedia
Epoch Of Recombination | COSMOS
 

TheBrokenSoul

Active Member
Have you written some sort of script that just takes science terms and randomly puts them into sentences?

The "epoch of recombination" refers to a time about 370,000 years after the big bang, when the universe became cool enough for the first atoms of hydrogen to be formed.

Recombination (cosmology) - Wikipedia
Epoch Of Recombination | COSMOS
Epoch means the beginning of something , recombination means to recombine , the words are quite suitable .

I am not discussing before the big bang in this thread and the fundamental construction of quantum fields that are indistinguishable from space and each other in observation .
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
In simple language perhaps for a primary school student !

They are pulled to the ground because the mass of the condensed droplets is attracted to the mass of the ground and the mass of the ground is attracted to the condensed droplets . Because they lose their high energy state they become attracted to the higher energy state of the ground . The clouds hang becuase they are being attracted to the ground and attracted to upwards at the same time , this is called a critical balance .


Any student, any meteorologist, any scientist. Its what happens, all the rest is just irrelevant fluff
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
I have 60 billion water bottles and divide them by 60 billion people , the total of the water bottles weight never changes , the total amount of water that fills the water bottles never changes .
Might not completely follow you, but if I understood you correct, you say that it doesn't matter as the amount is the same? But isn't the issue that it is not in the same state so to speak. Meaning that you might have 60 billion bottles of water and that the amount is the same no matter what, but if all the water is in the form of steam then the 60 billion people can't drink it.

Same with the methane, the amount is the same, but it makes quite a big difference whether its trapped beneath the permafrost or in the atmosphere or did I misunderstand what you meant?
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Antoine Lavoisier , a famous French scientist , discovered in experiment what is referred to as Lavoisier's Law ,the conservation of mass .

''Conservation of mass, principle that the mass of an object or collection of objects never changes, no matter how the constituent parts rearrange themselves. Mass has been viewed in physics in two compatible ways. ''

And BTW, he was wrong (as the article you quoted actually points out). Mass is not a conserved quantity. It was a reasonable mistake to make at the time, because it's a good approximation in purely chemical reactions. It breaks down in nuclear reactions and when relativistic effects become significant.
 

TheBrokenSoul

Active Member
Any student, any meteorologist, any scientist. Its what happens, all the rest is just irrelevant fluff
It isn't irrelevant if you are also are a scientific engineer . In using this applied physics , knowing the precise quantum mechanical process , a scientific engineer knows that if they could create a device that created an extreme high energy state , the device would gain an upwards momentum .
Also the information is very useful in knowing that one day air might reach critical mass and not come back down .
 

TheBrokenSoul

Active Member
Might not completely follow you, but if I understood you correct, you say that it doesn't matter as the amount is the same? But isn't the issue that it is not in the same state so to speak. Meaning that you might have 60 billion bottles of water and that the amount is the same no matter what, but if all the water is in the form of steam then the 60 billion people can't drink it.

Same with the methane, the amount is the same, but it makes quite a big difference whether its trapped beneath the permafrost or in the atmosphere or did I misunderstand what you meant?
My story demonstrates that even if the gas is transformed and divided by volume , the amount of energy each particle could absord would still amount to the total amount .

I gave away 60 billion bottles that had leaks , they lost one drip per second so everyone topped up the bottles up at 1 drip per second so the volume remained the same .

mass times energy divided by volume has a rate , the process happens at c, the speed electromagnetic radiation is attracted to less energy states .
 

TheBrokenSoul

Active Member
And BTW, he was wrong (as the article you quoted actually points out). Mass is not a conserved quantity. It was a reasonable mistake to make at the time, because it's a good approximation in purely chemical reactions. It breaks down in nuclear reactions and when relativistic effects become significant.
Perhaps so but a very good starting point for premise of argument becuase it leads to the laws of energy conservation , a single atom in a state of constant light will absorb and equally emit the exact same amount of kE has the Caesium standard demonstrates to us . There is nothing lost ., nothing gained .
Sorry we are going all technical now , delta f = delta u . A change of frequency f is equal to a change of internal energy u . Which applies to all particles and equilibrium state .

60 billions tons of methane within the earths system is already a part of time and enduring this process .
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It isn't irrelevant if you are also are a scientific engineer . In using this applied physics , knowing the precise quantum mechanical process , a scientific engineer knows that if they could create a device that created an extreme high energy state , the device would gain an upwards momentum .
Also the information is very useful in knowing that one day air might reach critical mass and not come back down .

Are you saying that you are a scientific engineer because earlier in then thread (post #41) i asked about your phd and you ignored the question. Now i am intrigued
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
My story demonstrates that even if the gas is transformed and divided by volume , the amount of energy each particle could absord would still amount to the total amount .

I gave away 60 billion bottles that had leaks , they lost one drip per second so everyone topped up the bottles up at 1 drip per second so the volume remained the same .

mass times energy divided by volume has a rate , the process happens at c, the speed electromagnetic radiation is attracted to less energy states .
I don't have any issue with that. But the 60 billion methane underneath the permafrost have a vastly different effect than if its not. So what does it matter if the energy is the same, don't really get it?
 

TheBrokenSoul

Active Member
Are you saying that you are a scientific engineer because earlier in then thread (post #41) i asked about your phd and you ignored the question. Now i am intrigued
I can do some scientific engineering design because I know physics . My recent project is to amplify electrical charge , putting in less energy and gaining a higher output but I do not know if that will work yet because I haven't done a practical test . In theory and with a formula I have it looks like it should work .
However because I know about global warming and energy transition , if the practical experiment works , the new power unit will be part of a star ship design to power the quantum drive rather than domestic use .
I also have other projects to do experiments on yet , such as growing tropical food in cold countries and growing food in hot countries like deserts by using scientific engineering .
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I can do some scientific engineering design because I know physics . My recent project is to amplify electrical charge , putting in less energy and gaining a higher output but I do not know if that will work yet because I haven't done a practical test . In theory and with a formula I have it looks like it should work .

That's a no then,ok

BTW, its impossible to get more out than you put in at the moment
 
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TheBrokenSoul

Active Member
BTW, its impossible to get more out than you put in at the moment

Oh no it isn''t , there is several ways to do it . That is what makes me so precious and special becuase I can do ''magic'' with physics . ;)

Obviously help required .

Do you know the Earths magnetic field ?

God said to me , '' reach to the sky with your power and draw the heavens towards you and the heavens will draw you towards the heavens right back ''

Jacob said , '' Thats my ladder ''

I said , ''hmmmm, only requires some ingenuity ''

See God said , ''when I turn the light to darkness , I have real power and universal speed ''

I require 0 nano meters for maximum field warp effeciency .

Black light is so dense , I love black light said he who strived to see the heavens turn opaque .

P.s Einstein also said to me , ''with the correct application let us curve space-time energy -ve to gain +ve velocity in the warping of space time energy ,let the fabric that is stretched by the gravitational transition force , pull back and catapult the craft through space time ''

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blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Antoine Lavoisier , a famous French scientist , discovered in experiment what is referred to as Lavoisier's Law ,the conservation of mass .

''Conservation of mass, principle that the mass of an object or collection of objects never changes, no matter how the constituent parts rearrange themselves. Mass has been viewed in physics in two compatible ways. ''


Presently in global warming , the main blame for global warming is said to be C02 emissions but because of Antoines work , I do not believe that can be the cause .
A kg of fossil fuel when converted into work , will always be 1 kg of mass regardless of the rearrangement after use of the mass .

Nothing is lost and nothing is gained according to Antoines work .

However , the heat generated off the use , the kE (kinetic energy) will certainly add to the internal energy of the earths system , hf/V which is high freuqency photon energy divided by volume and our systems kinetic energy max is Kmax=hf/V .

The world is moving forward at a worrying rate now producing electric vehicles to reduce CO2 emissions , however electricity is effectively kE and photons .

They aren't decreasing the rate of warming any by making electric vehicles etc , they are effectively increasing the rate of hf/V .

I just hope God saves us !
The problem isn't the heat at such ─ think how much heat the planet receives every day from the sun ─ but the 'green-house gasses' (like CO2 which you mentioned) that have formed an insulating layer in the upper air which slows down the natural escape of that heat into space.

And the plan to save the earth doesn't involve reducing heat as such, but reducing those green-house gasses, so that our planet can return to its old equilibrium.
 
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