I hope God saves the Earth from heat death

[ChristineM]

That is not entirely true , the atoms themselves do not become less dense . The atoms retain mass but the molecules become spread out more sparesly making the volume less dense . However , yes the volume becomes less dense <m/V but the total energy of the volume increases >u=hf/V . The increase in energy state is the real quantum explanation as I have provided and the reason why the balloon rises , Buoyancy is not correct .

That is entirely true. Hot air rises because it is less dense then colder air.

BTW, what is your PHD in?

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

Do you believe in the return of Jesus, the Messiah?
I do.

I beleive Jesus was just the name of a man who had great wisdom , I do not believe Jesus was the son of God but rather all Neurolgical Reference Frames are the creation of God .
Will somebody with great wisdom return one day who's wisdom would know what God wants ? Sure .

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

That is entirely true. Hot air rises because it is less dense then colder air.

BTW, what is your PHD in?

Yes that is entriely true but an incomplete description not based on quantum physics sorry .

The earth still has gravitational effect on less dense volumes , being a less dense volume does not create velocity because of inertia .

Just observe dust particles that are low mass and density , they don't fly up into space , they just land on things . The total mass of the volume of air and air balloon totally outweights a dust particle . So based on your buoyancy idea , anything lighter than the total mass of the balloon should fly upwards .

 

[ChristineM]

Yes that is entriely true but an incomplete description not based on quantum physics sorry .

The earth still has gravitational effect on less dense volumes , being a less dense volume does not create velocity because of inertia .

Just observe dust particles that are low mass and density , they don't fly up into space , they just land on things . The total mass of the volume of air and air balloon totally outweights a dust particle .

Don't overcomplicate what is simple physics. Hot air rises, end of story

 

[Kooky]

Why is it that people always seem use their faith to provide a convenient excuse to do nothing against verifiably existing problems of the world?

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

Don't overcomplicate what is simple physics. Hot air rises, end of story

Not quite , so what is going to happen when air starts to super heat and rises above and out of the atmosphere ?

 

[viole]

Yes that is entriely true but an incomplete description not based on quantum physics sorry .

The earth still has gravitational effect on less dense volumes , being a less dense volume does not create velocity because of inertia .

Just observe dust particles that are low mass and density , they don't fly up into space , they just land on things . The total mass of the volume of air and air balloon totally outweights a dust particle . So based on your buoyancy idea , anything lighter than the total mass of the balloon should fly upwards .

Yes, until the density of the atmosphere, which is well known to decrease with altitude, does not stop the pull and gets in equilibrium with gravity. Isn't that obvious?

Where did you study physics, assuming "studying" is applicable?

Ciao

- viole

 

[ChristineM]

Not quite , so what is going to happen when air starts to super heat and rises above and out of the atomosphere ?

Yes quite.

It will take a lot of energy to superheat millions of tons of air to the extent it will overcome gravity, ain't going to happen. Also-ran note, the air is, the atmosphere.

 

[viole]

I just hope God saves us !

Yes, from people with no clue in science, and in very basic third grade physics.

Which He will probably not do, if He enjoys being believed in.

ciao

- viole

 

[ratiocinator]

Buoyancy is for on water , atmospheric particles momentum is quantum physics .

I think we can safely add quantum physics to the list of things you know exactly nothing about.

Here is the correct physics , the high energy state within the balloons is attracted to the low density energy state , as a result the energy within the balloons interior is pushes up . The balloons form is held because the high energy within the balloons interior is also attracted horizonatally but the force is less than the upwards attactive force . Atmosphere being the difference . Note : The particle moves with the energy because it is free to do so .

None of which actually means anything in terms of physics, let alone quantum physics.

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

I think we can safely add quantum physics to the list of things you know exactly nothing about.


None of which actually means anything in terms of physics, let alone quantum physics.

I think you mean that presently in quantum physics this is not written .

The very fact that high energy particles in the process of fire are directed upwards which are observable , demonstrates the physics I mention is correct unless you can demonstrate otherwise .

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

Yes quite.

It will take a lot of energy to superheat millions of tons of air to the extent it will overcome gravity, ain't going to happen. Also-ran note, the air is, the atmosphere.

The atmosphere consists of Hyrogen , Oxygen , Methane etc .

Yes it would require a considerable amount of hf/V to cause a superheated effect but the way we are going we may create enough internal kE to superheat the Oxygen enough to ''hang like a cloud'' .
In other words it doesn't have to leave the Earths system to kill all life ,lt only has to ''hang'' at an altitude . Clouds are a great example of critical balanced mass .

 

[ratiocinator]

I think you mean that presently in quantum physics this is not written .

There wasn't a single reference to anything remotely connected to quantum physics in your post.

The very fact that high energy particles in the process of fire are directed upwards which are observable , demonstrates the physics I mention is correct unless you can demonstrate otherwise .

We can also add the burden of proof to the, ever growing, list of things you know nothing about.

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

There wasn't a single reference to anything remotely connected to quantum physics in your post.


We can also add the burden of proof to the, ever growing, list of things you know nothing about.

So you are going to explain fire now then for the readers and why it is directed upwards ?

NGI does not require AI reference , your own neurological reference frame should have the ability to think based on observation evidence without needing to recall citations of knowledge .
Science is about advancing information not letting ourselves be stuck in stone . When contradiction or newer evidence is discovered that is called applying science . I await your version of fire if you say I am incorrect which I am not .

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

That is the present concensus and view but 1 kg of petroleum will absord the exact same amount of incident energy E-ve as 1 kg of petroleum that has been transformed . Nothing is lost and nothing is gained .

If I am not mistaken, you ignored or completely missed the actual point made in the post this was in response to. I suggest going back to find it. You just stating the same thing over again in response to new information (especially when it displays where you might be wrong in your thinking) does absolutely nothing.

 

[ChristineM]

The atmosphere consists of Hyrogen , Oxygen , Methane etc .

Yes it would require a considerable amount of hf/V to cause a superheated effect but the way we are going we may create enough internal kE to superheat the Oxygen enough to ''hang like a cloud'' .
In other words it doesn't have to leave the Earths system to kill all life ,lt only has to ''hang'' at an altitude . Clouds are a great example of critical balanced mass .

And all together they make air, you know, that stuff you breath.

No we won't create such heart.

Clouds are not so balanced when it rains.

 

[Nimos]

The world is moving forward at a worrying rate now producing electric vehicles to reduce CO2 emissions , however electricity is effectively kE and photons .

They aren't decreasing the rate of warming any by making electric vehicles etc , they are effectively increasing the rate of hf/V .

I just hope God saves us !

Well that is only part of the problem

Scientists have found that permafrost buried beneath the Arctic Ocean holds 60 billion tons of methane and 560 billion tons of organic carbon — making it a major source of greenhouse gases not currently included in climate projections that could have a significant impact on climate change in the longer-term.

Methane is the second most abundant anthropogenic GHG after carbon dioxide (CO2), accounting for about 20 percent of global emissions. Methane is more than 25 times as potent as carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere.

As Earth’s climate warms, the permafrost is thawing. That means the ice inside the permafrost melts, leaving behind water and soil.

Thawing permafrost can have dramatic impacts on our planet and the things living on it. For example:

• Many northern villages are built on permafrost. When permafrost is frozen, it’s harder than concrete. However, thawing permafrost can destroy houses, roads and other infrastructure.

• When permafrost is frozen, plant material in the soil—called organic carbon—can’t decompose, or rot away. As permafrost thaws, microbes begin decomposing this material. This process releases greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane to the atmosphere.

• When permafrost thaws, so do ancient bacteria and viruses in the ice and soil. These newly-unfrozen microbes could make humans and animals very sick. Scientists have discovered microbes more than 400,000 years old in thawed permafrost.

As usual things doesn't look to well

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

Clouds are not so balanced when it rains.

That is because the epoch of recombination increases the density and mass over the volume . The evaporated particles of water in motion experience an exothermic process and once the particles lose the high energy state in energy transition becoming a less energy state , the gravitaional mass force of the particles is increased again and they become more attractive to each other and recombine .

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

Well that is only part of the problem

Scientists have found that permafrost buried beneath the Arctic Ocean holds 60 billion tons of methane and 560 billion tons of organic carbon — making it a major source of greenhouse gases not currently included in climate projections that could have a significant impact on climate change in the longer-term.

Methane is the second most abundant anthropogenic GHG after carbon dioxide (CO2), accounting for about 20 percent of global emissions. Methane is more than 25 times as potent as carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere.

As Earth’s climate warms, the permafrost is thawing. That means the ice inside the permafrost melts, leaving behind water and soil.

Thawing permafrost can have dramatic impacts on our planet and the things living on it. For example:

• • Many northern villages are built on permafrost. When permafrost is frozen, it’s harder than concrete. However, thawing permafrost can destroy houses, roads and other infrastructure.
  • When permafrost is frozen, plant material in the soil—called organic carbon—can’t decompose, or rot away. As permafrost thaws, microbes begin decomposing this material. This process releases greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane to the atmosphere.
  • When permafrost thaws, so do ancient bacteria and viruses in the ice and soil. These newly-unfrozen microbes could make humans and animals very sick. Scientists have discovered microbes more than 400,000 years old in thawed permafrost.

As usual things doesn't look to well

But nothing is lost and nothing is gained , the kinetic energy max does not change , 60 billion tons of methane can absorb kmax=hf/V

Now it doesn't matter if you fragment that volume , the total kmax doesn't change .

 

[ChristineM]

That is because the epoch of recombination increases the density and mass over the volume . The evaporated particles of water in motion experience an exothermic process and once the particles lose the high energy state in energy transition becoming a less energy state , the gravitaional mass force of the particles is increased again and they become more attractive to each other and recombine .

In simple English, without all the fluff and nonsense

Clouds are made of water droplets. Within a cloud, water droplets condense onto one another, causing the droplets to grow. Become to dense to stay put so fall to the downward.