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Life Without Belief

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?


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“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Once again.....does one believe in angels ?
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
No. One fundamental belief a person will have is that they exist. A multitude of other beliefs follow that.

I don't believe i exist, i can be indipendentely weighed, measured and observed, i i know i exist.

I do hope and believe that i will live to see !y children fledge the nest.
 

Orbit

I'm a planet
Belief in what? I don't need to believe in a higher power to have meaning in my life. It's a religious-centric way of thinking that can't imagine life without belief.
 

The Hammer

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Premium Member
Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?


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“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc

No we can't live "without belief" because we don't directly perceive the world. And only deal with it indirectly. And that takes a certain belief that things will be as they were.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I don't believe i exist, i can be indipendentely weighed, measured and observed, i i know i exist.

I do hope and believe that i will live to see !y children fledge the nest.

Well, since you have solved over 2000+ years of philosophy for what knowledge is, please published your finding. You will be remembered long after your death, if you actually have solved that. I doubt it, and no, you are not lying. You are a product of nature and nurture like the rest of us.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Do you think it is possible to live without any beliefs what so ever?


You-need-to-believe-for-a-life-without-belief-would-be-depressing-and-empty.-You-need-to-believe-that-everything-will-set-into-place-that-good-things-will-happen................-Chirag-Tulsiani.jpg

“One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. But to sacrifice what you are and to live without belief, that is a fate more terrible than dying.” Joan of Arc

Well, if you can turn methodological naturalism into the philosophical version and do this objectively, https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/whatisscience_12 then you could live without beliefs.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Belief in what? I don't need to believe in a higher power to have meaning in my life. It's a religious-centric way of thinking that can't imagine life without belief.

Belief in anything really.
Not just about God but if we accept the existence of other things, is that acceptance based on belief?
Or is the argument against the need for belief just semantics?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Well, if you can turn methodological naturalism into the philosophical version and do this objectively, https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/whatisscience_12 then you could live without beliefs.

So basically one would have to do none of the following?

Moral judgments, aesthetic judgments, decisions about applications of science, and conclusions about the supernatural are outside the realm of science,

Or maybe you could by accepting the truth of whatever your values happened to be as long as you didn't make any assumption that your values were shared by anyone else.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
So basically one would have to do none of the following?

Moral judgments, aesthetic judgments, decisions about applications of science, and conclusions about the supernatural are outside the realm of science,

Or maybe you could by accepting the truth of whatever your values happened to be as long as you didn't make any assumption that your values were shared by anyone else.

Yeah, you can avoid the supernatural, but the rest I doubt. At least there is nobody who have done it in recorded history.
For the bold, you would still have beliefs.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I believe in man, first.

Dante used to write : You men were not made to live as beasts, but to pursue virtue and knowledge

Goethe used to write: May man be noble, altruistic and good.

I am a theist but I think that life would be meaningless if we did not fight to make life worth-living. That is, by pursuing perfection, goodness, altruism.

The law of the fittest, aka jungle law...is not worthy of human beings.
Human beings are not animals.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
No. One fundamental belief a person will have is that they exist. A multitude of other beliefs follow that.

I believe that atheists too believe that life has a value that transcends the mere existence.

If life were meaningless, what is the point of making children?
Children who will live a life as meaningless as their parents '?
 
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