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Bigotry as practice

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Well. This is my opinion.

Some religious people may believe that people who dont adhere to their particular religious view will end up in hell. That is because they believe their salvation itself depends on believing in their view. This is an after life matter. Atheists believe that there there is no hell or heaven and all of that is nonsense. So anyone who believes they will go to heaven or hell are just wrong. Do you also consider that bigotry?

Some theists will believe that all sinners will end up in hell. Is that bigotry? After all, if one intends to, he can define "sinners" as one group and this as simple bigotry. This can go on to murderers. If one believes all murderers will go to hell, that can be considered bigotry?

If you take that route, you can keep going for ever. you can even call governments bigots for immigration issues, jails, etc etc.

I dont agree with this religious view of human salvation being only for one group of people and the rest are damned to hell for having a different belief. But I do not consider that bigotry.
The bigotry is more in the belief that unbelievers deserve Hell.

BTW: comparing unbelievers to murderers - as you just did - could also be seen as an example of bigotry.
 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
It's not arbitrary. But back to your topic, the semantics of bigotry and hate speech will be moved up a notch to do what oppressors always wish to do per Quran, eliminate all Mosques, Churchs, and Synagogues. Oppressors as in the heart of evil, Gog and Magog, illuminati and the Satanic Avatar of theirs in this century.

If we don't fight back, they will do it. And if we are passive, they will forbid Islam to be practiced globally one day, as Quran warns if we don't defend and God doesn't repel some men by some men, no Mosque no Church no Synagogue would remain standing. No we will be at the mercy of Jinn Worshiping avatars and tarot cards for spiritual guidance and that will be the only religion allowed.

Hijaab being forbidden in some countries is just a social experiment. Testing grounds and they will move it up.

In the name of human rights they will attempt forbid Islam to be practiced. After all, is not theocracy part of Islam? Doesn't Islam teach to judge and implement government per revelation of God and that judicially we are to refer to God?

They fight us for that, and if we let them forbid us the right to establish democratic theocracies (they are not paradox), they will one day forbid us from Islam all together.

Its all irrelevant.

Read the OP.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
And you reading the responses, people are saying Islamic and Abrahamic faiths are bigotry by nature.

It was you who said that Islam is bigotry. ;)

Anyway, I may read people saying things about religions and people at large. Most of these people are ill informed. Their whole education is from the TV and some websites they like. So what?

Ill tell you something. If there is a debate, you never lose a debate. Either you win, teach or learn. You never lose.

Cheers.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
And you reading the responses, people are saying Islamic and Abrahamic faiths are bigotry by nature.

One guy is telling me that all the Muslims in the world knew about ISIS and Al Qaeda before 911.

There was a time when I used to respond to every in nice, naive words. But the ignorance is mind boggling. ISIS did not exist before 911, and they only emerged years after 911 after bombing and the dismantling of Iraq. No one around the world knew about an Al Qaeda. Not even Afghans. The American media informed us about the AL Qaeda. All the muslims when I asked them were scrambling around find out who there people are. It was like a joke.

This is the plight of these so called superior beings who have no empathy. They think the TV is the whole world. More importantly, they think their country is the whole world.

Peace.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Most of it.
Well, two issues there.
1. Much of what they say and do ranges from bigotry, through extremism, to outright terrorism.
2. If you don't support everything they say and do, then you are also "scum that deserve hell forever" to some extent.
Ouch!
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
This may be true for some circles of Christians but I would say that in essence this is not how it is in Christianity. Christians should be clean and friendly and balanced and honest.
no, this is not what we believe. We don't think that other religions don't have a moral compass.
Of course, in many other religions there are good values.
What you are doing here is conflating "the behaviour of individual Christians" with "What god says".
Most religionists are better than the religion they follow, and subsequently modify their idea of that religion to better match their own moral framework.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Well, two issues there.
1. Much of what they say and do ranges from bigotry, through extremism, to outright terrorism.
2. If you don't support everything they say and do, then you are also "scum that deserve hell forever" to some extent.
Ouch!

Terrorism is a word the way you guys use it, you deserve to go hell forever by the way you are using to eliminate all resistance, because you equate noble people like Hezbollah with ISIS which Obama created.

The word is used for neocolonialism and oppression and illuminati world domination plans.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
You can play probabilities but in my case, some events including my uncle being jailed and tortured for no crime, and my government (Canada) supporting that dictatorship country, was a huge factor. I see it the apathy towards oppression and what it causes.
How does that make the existence of a particular version of god more likely than any other god, or none at all?
Sounds more like a political/emotional rather than spiritual decision.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Anyway, who's definition? When some one says "by definition", where is this definition coming from?
Its just made up. People keep making things up and calling them "by definition". Thats just a dream to feel superior.
Well, the OED for starters...
Belief - An acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
One guy is telling me that all the Muslims in the world knew about ISIS and Al Qaeda before 911.

There was a time when I used to respond to every in nice, naive words. But the ignorance is mind boggling. ISIS did not exist before 911, and they only emerged years after 911 after bombing and the dismantling of Iraq. No one around the world knew about an Al Qaeda. Not even Afghans. The American media informed us about the AL Qaeda. All the muslims when I asked them were scrambling around find out who there people are. It was like a joke.

This is the plight of these so called superior beings who have no empathy. They think the TV is the whole world. More importantly, they think their country is the whole world.

Peace.

There is a verse that says not to take advisors except from yourselves to believers. Our problem to this day, we take advice from our enemies that wants to destroy us and want to put us against each other and wish to shatter any unity that is left within the nation.

We got ourselves, and that's about it. If we left them shatter our unity, no one western country is going to help us or stand up for our rights.

We need to overthrow dictators and unite under one Islamic government setting aside any disputes and differences and allowing freedom of thought and religion, and they label everyone who strives for this as Islamists as if different from Muslims, and truth be told, it won't happen peacefully and without effort.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How does that make the existence of a particular version of god more likely than any other god, or none at all?
Sounds more like a political/emotional rather than spiritual decision.

I was a Deist back then, but my main reason against Abrahamic faiths was belief in hell.

It's not the reason I came to Islam, but it allowed me to see that some people deserve hell and reconsider that Messengers were sent so society rises up for justice.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'm willing to be ruled by a Sunni government. I'm willing to put aside all sectarian advantages of Shiite government. We need one nation ruled by one government, no more countries, no more divisions.

Muslims don't believe we should be divided into countries. We have the right to rule ourselves and unite under one country and one government.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Theists are fully capable of critical thinking.
Except when it comes to their faith. Then the rules are suddenly different.
As Stephen F Roberts said..."When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

And theism has been built on critical thinking for many years. You seem just not aware.
No it hasn't. Religionists fall themselves (or are filled by their own cognitive dissonance) that fallacious arguments are rational and reasonable. The arguments usually fall at the first hurdle because they rely on question begging.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
Islam comes down to one thing. You love God enough to reason properly and seeks obvious proofs with regards to his religion.
It's not about critical or non-critical, education or non-education, it's about having submissive spirit towards God. If that happens, proofs and insights are available from God to prove the truth he wants us to hold on to and follow.
So basically, if you believe enough, whatever you imagine is Islam, is Islam, even if all the imams and scholars in the world disagree with you.
 

KWED

Scratching head, scratching knee
It's not arbitrary. But back to your topic, the semantics of bigotry and hate speech will be moved up a notch to do what oppressors always wish to do per Quran, eliminate all Mosques, Churchs, and Synagogues. Oppressors as in the heart of evil, Gog and Magog, illuminati and the Satanic Avatar of theirs in this century.

If we don't fight back, they will do it. And if we are passive, they will forbid Islam to be practiced globally one day, as Quran warns if we don't defend and God doesn't repel some men by some men, no Mosque no Church no Synagogue would remain standing. No we will be at the mercy of Jinn Worshiping avatars and tarot cards for spiritual guidance and that will be the only religion allowed.

Hijaab being forbidden in some countries is just a social experiment. Testing grounds and they will move it up.

In the name of human rights they will attempt forbid Islam to be practiced. After all, is not theocracy part of Islam? Doesn't Islam teach to judge and implement government per revelation of God and that judicially we are to refer to God?

They fight us for that, and if we let them forbid us the right to establish democratic theocracies (they are not paradox), they will one day forbid us from Islam all together.
More paranoid delusion. And now you have voiced admiration and support for Islamist extremism.
You really should talk to someone about this.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So basically, if you believe enough, whatever you imagine is Islam, is Islam, even if all the imams and scholars in the world disagree with you.

I been possessed by Jinn and witnessed the possession, it's called schizophrenia and of course you have more materialistic outlook to it, while I experienced it first hand. I wasn't even able to get out of my house and would sleep most of the day for a long period of time of my life. The sorcery and possession overwhelmed me and there was inconsistency with my understanding of Quran. There were logical problems but what made me not want to solve them for five years, was the fact, I had a hard time from when I first believed in Islam till this day with hell. These days, it's not intellectual problem nor that I don't see beauty in God's wrath, it's just, I wish people would not enter it. I wish to save people as much as I can from it but don't think I can save anyone and especially about the one I love dearly.

The reason I made contradictions and was succumb to the same sorcery that blinds others to Quran personally for five years was that I didn't want to accept hell. It motivated me to accept my own contradictions and understanding and not want to solve.

When my uncle was tortured, I didn't convert back. But I wanted hell to exist for the first time in my life. But there was conflict in that for me too. I wasn't sure.

It was not till I had a vision from the Prophet (s) in which took 3 days in 5 hour dream span in this world, that I came back to Islam with real faith and was able to do university for once in my life and succeed in something. I got the highest mark in the class in my first computer science course.

The skills I learned to seek refuge from attacks from Iblis and his forces, gave me a fighting spirit to be able to do school.

Every time I lost my resolve or wanted to run away, I sought refuge the way Prophet (s) taught me, and fought with the sword and name of God the way he taught me.

There I saw all my enemies from Jinn and Humans, spiritually, and was taught ways to break their magic.

I don't care if you believe me or not, but I told my social worker about this vision before I went back to school. I even told her, I think it will be different this time because of it.
 
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