Miracles???

[Jeremiah Ames]

The terms "luck" and "miracle" are twin sisters. Neither of them has any real existence except in the imaginations of people. Both are used to explain that which people do not understand.

Remember this: everything having a real existence is capable of proof.

Thoughts?

 

[Left Coast]

Remember this: everything having a real existence is capable of proof.

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Any experienced gambler - and gamblers have great respect for maths and logic, or the smart ones do - will tell you that when your luck is in, it's in, and when it's out it's out, and there is apparently no formula which can account for this phenomenon.

 

[metis]

The terms "luck" and "miracle" are twin sisters. Neither of them has any real existence except in the imaginations of people. Both are used to explain that which people do not understand.

Remember this: everything having a real existence is capable of proof.

Thoughts?

Generally speaking, I really don't believe in "miracles", but I'm not going so far as to say they're impossible.

I tend to think that most of what we might call a "miracle" probably has a logical explanation for it that we may not observe, and this "explanation" may well go beyond just observable science. "Premonitions" [some] come to mind, for example.

 

[Lain]

Thoughts?

It's a post about what you think. Those are my thoughts on it really.

 

[George-ananda]

Remember this: everything having a real existence is capable of proof.

Thoughts?

I have to disagree with that. For example an angel agent can perform a miracle (like avoiding an accident or something) but there would be no way to prove this after the fact.

 

[sun rise]

To me a "miracle" is the operation of laws that are not generally known. If people who can do these kinds of things display them, millions of people would immediately run after such a person demanding everything under the sun - "cure my illness", "give me $1 million", "raise my dead spouse" and so forth.

Besides, would you rather spend decades dedicated to practices that give you the power to float in the air or hop a plane? Would you rather instead spend decades to learn how to communicate remotely or start a chat session?

And from a different perspective, there are so many "ordinary miracles" that people overlook all the time.

 

[pearl]

In the Gospel of John these are not referred to as miracles, but 'signs'.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have to disagree with that. For example an angel agent can perform a miracle (like avoiding an accident or something) but there would be no way to prove this after the fact.

That can be countered by instances of people who avoid accidents that are not regarded as supernatural interventions.

 

[Valjean]

I have to disagree with that. For example an angel agent can perform a miracle (like avoiding an accident or something) but there would be no way to prove this after the fact.

And no rational reason to conclude angels had anything to do with it, given the dearth of evidence for angels.

 

[Valjean]

Miracles and luck? I'm not seeing it. I'd say more like miracles and magic.

 

[George-ananda]

That can be countered by instances of people who avoid accidents that are not regarded as supernatural interventions.

That counter doesn't work. Because accidents have been avoided by natural things does not mean some are not aided by supernatural things. And I've heard some impressive stories over the years with no after the fact physical evidence.

 

[George-ananda]

And no rational reason to conclude angels had anything to do with it, given the dearth of evidence for angels.

And I have heard many stories where I think superphysical intervention is most likely.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That counter doesn't work. Because accidents have been avoided by natural things does not mean some are not aided by supernatural things. And I've heard some impressive stories over the years with no after the fact physical evidence.

There always is a physical explanation

 

[George-ananda]

There always is a physical explanation

Sometimes in miracles things occur that have no reasonable physical explanation. That's why people call them 'miracles'.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Sometimes in miracles things occur that have no reasonable physical explanation. That's why people call them 'miracles'.

People can call it that sure.

But it's all science at the end of the day. I'm sure with time , all 'miracles' are perfectly explainable at the end without notions of invisible pixies, fairies, angels being brought into the mix.

 

[George-ananda]

People can call it that sure.

But it's all science at the end of the day. I'm sure with time , all 'miracles' are perfectly explainable at the end without notions of invisible pixies, fairies, angels being brought into the mix.

My position is that there are spiritual planes of nature (etheric, astral, mental, etcetera) in dimensions not directly detectable by the physical senses and instruments. When entities of these dimensions affect the physical we will see an effect but the cause will not be detectable (as in miracles).

 

[Twilight Hue]

My position is that there are spiritual planes of nature (etheric, astral, mental, etcetera) in dimensions not directly detectable by the physical senses and instruments. When entities of these dimensions affect the physical we will see an effect but the cause will not be detectable (as in miracles).

There might be something in regards to dimensions. At least that may be a venue, but even that has a long way to go.

 

[George-ananda]

There might be something in regards to dimensions. At least that may be a venue, but even that has a long way to go.

This is beyond current science's reach if that's what you mean by 'a long way to go'. But reality is not limited by what current science can understand.

Miracles and the paranormal happen whether we understand the science or not. I believe there are those claiming psychic/clairvoyant insight into these dimensions that can tell us more about these things.

 

[Valjean]

And I have heard many stories where I think superphysical intervention is most likely.

Think it's most likely, or feel it's most likely?