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Israel, the Servant of God

Redemptionsong

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I hate to say it, but the churches you speak of, in general, do not keep God's Law, but they do keep the law of the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine, which he put in place in 321 AD, as well as they have 3 gods (Trinity) before them, enabled by Roman emperor Constantine, which is contrary to the 1st Commandment. They apparently don't even know the name of the son of man, and according to Yeshua per Revelation 19:13, his name is "The Word of God", which the lawless Christians, have made "obsolete" by way of some unknown author of Hebrews 8:13. I think the foundation of your "house"/church is made of sand, and the wind, rain, and floods are coming. (Matthew 7:27). As for "keeping God's word", what they keep is the words of the false prophet by way of the church of Rome, saying it is so, based on the "falsehoods" of "our fathers" (Jeremiah 16:19). It is Yeshua who spoke of "Babylon the Great", whom the Protestant reformist say is the mother of the whore/harlot, the Roman church (Revelation 17:6), who went on to birth other harlots, who "worship the dragon" by worshipping the Roman beast (Revelation 13:4). We are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast, whereas the reign of the Roman church of Constantine, the 7th head of the beast, is coming to an end. Which is to say the pope, holder of the keys, will "fall" "in that day", which is the day of the Lord. (Isaiah 22:25). The daughters of the Roman church are built on the same foundation as their mother. Like mother, like daughter. Hey, don't worry, you have time to repent (turn from your transgressions) (Isaiah 59:20). It is best to turn from "our fathers" "falsehoods" before the "day of the Lord"/judgment day.
Those that have accepted Jesus Christ as Saviour have already repented. It is up to each 'born again' believer to 'walk in Spirit and in truth'.

In speaking to the church at Philadelphia [Revelation 3:8], the Lord says, 'l know thy works: behold l have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name'. And who is it that 'come and worship before thy feet' [verse 9]?

Psalm 89. 'But my faithfulness and mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.'

'My mercy will l keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him'.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Those that have accepted Jesus Christ as Saviour have already repented. It is up to each 'born again' believer to 'walk in Spirit and in truth'.

In speaking to the church at Philadelphia [Revelation 3:8], the Lord says, 'l know thy works: behold l have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name'. And who is it that 'come and worship before thy feet' [verse 9]?

Psalm 89. 'But my faithfulness and mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.'

'My mercy will l keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him'.

If you are claiming to be of the church of Philadelphia, you might want to include the whole text of the script you cited.

Revelation3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength (power), and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Better yet, include the whole script meant for Philadelphia, which is to say make sure that one holds fast, lest someone takes their crown. And what "power" do you retain, other than praying for yourself?

As for "my covenant", that would be the covenant, the "tested stone", encompassing "justice" and "righteousness", that had been firmly tested. It is "my faithfulness and My mercy (lovingkindness) will be with him" (king David).

As for Psalm 89, it is with respect to the "anointed' David My servant", who the "son of wickedness" cannot afflict him, and his thrown will be established as the days of heaven, and any of his descendants which violate my statutes, will be visited with stripes. According to your reasoning, based on your presented clumsy reasoning of the genealogy of Christ, that sitting on the "throne to all generations" (Psalms 89:4) cycle was broken. As for "in My name his horn will be exalted (Psalms 89:24), that would be the descendant named Yeshua, which is to say "YHWY saves", in which "My name, YHWY is exalted. As shown in "My name", it is YHWY who saves, not believing is some bogus Greek name. Referring to the word of God seems to be chipping away at your foundation of sand. As for repenting, that means turning away from sin, not sinning more to increase one's grace. The definition of sin, is transgression of the Law. If the Law has been made obsolete, how can you transgress that which is "obsolete"? If it has not been made obsolete, just maybe, you are living a lie.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The two.witnesses were Muhammad and Ali. 7 Kingdoms and 10 rulers, the beast.

The year 1260 then becomes very interesting indeed.

Regards Tony

As Mhmd/Muhammad, nor a world class trading center of Mecca, historically exist in the early 7th century, or even today, except in the minds of sons of Persians, in the 9th and 10 century, who wrote the Hadiths, your foundation is a bit of a stretch. The independent historical creation of Islam is more in the realm of the late 7th century, when the Arab leaders turned from creating idol imaged Byzantine type coins to Islamic type of coins. Apart from the Hadiths and Koran filled with Persian (Zoroaster) images, along with Jewish and Christian stories, there is no connection of the 1260 years with Zoroasterism. There are actually 8 heads of the beast (Revelation 17:11), and two different sets of 10 kings Daniel 7:20-25 & Revelation 17:11. One set linked to the 4th & 5th head/kingdom, and one set linked to the 8th head.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Just like the Jews did with Jesus, the Muslims slayed the Messiah. That initiated their demise and the demise of the empire they had built.

The Gate of Tehran is where the first Disciple met the Bab, in AD1844, the year 1260 of Islam.

Islam has been restored as has the Christain and the Jewish Faiths, it is just a simple shift in one's frame of reference.

Regards Tony

1844 minus 1260 equals the year 584 AD, a dead space as far as I can see. Islam is supposed to have started in 622, and in 584 AD Mhmd was 14 years old, and his only noteworthy supposed event during that time was meeting the Saint Katherine monk on a trade journey with part of his family. But your 1844 makes sense with respect to the Bahai faith, which is considered heretical by the rest of Islam, and which has not united Islam or turned the world into a Islamic state. I don't know, but it appears you are grabbing at straws, a tough target to hold on too under pressure.

According to my math, if you add 1260 to 622 AD, year one of the Islamic calendar, you get 1882, not 1844. Then again, 584 was probably a leap year, and somehow that somehow makes a difference.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
If you are claiming to be of the church of Philadelphia, you might want to include the whole text of the script you cited.

Revelation3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength (power), and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Better yet, include the whole script meant for Philadelphia, which is to say make sure that one holds fast, lest someone takes their crown. And what "power" do you retain, other than praying for yourself?

As for "my covenant", that would be the covenant, the "tested stone", encompassing "justice" and "righteousness", that had been firmly tested. It is "my faithfulness and My mercy (lovingkindness) will be with him" (king David).

As for Psalm 89, it is with respect to the "anointed' David My servant", who the "son of wickedness" cannot afflict him, and his thrown will be established as the days of heaven, and any of his descendants which violate my statutes, will be visited with stripes. According to your reasoning, based on your presented clumsy reasoning of the genealogy of Christ, that sitting on the "throne to all generations" (Psalms 89:4) cycle was broken. As for "in My name his horn will be exalted (Psalms 89:24), that would be the descendant named Yeshua, which is to say "YHWY saves", in which "My name, YHWY is exalted. As shown in "My name", it is YHWY who saves, not believing is some bogus Greek name. Referring to the word of God seems to be chipping away at your foundation of sand. As for repenting, that means turning away from sin, not sinning more to increase one's grace. The definition of sin, is transgression of the Law. If the Law has been made obsolete, how can you transgress that which is "obsolete"? If it has not been made obsolete, just maybe, you are living a lie.

The themes of sin and righteousness have to be correctly understood if one is to see the plan that God has for His creation.

All men are sinners, and unless the root of sin is dealt with effectively, all efforts to be righteous will fail. And in failing to be righteous, man is cut off from God.

The teaching on sin is at the core of Christian belief. It is not enough just to say that sin is not doing the law, unless you make it clear that what man 'sees' and what God 'sees' are different. God knows the heart of man, and, as a result, God's standard of righteousness is spiritual. The same cannot be said for man's standard of righteousness, which depends on what is outwardly observed.

The righteousness that you would have man follow is righteousness under the law. This has nothing to do with the eternal salvation of God because it is solely dependent on the doing of 613 commandments laid down by God at Sinai. If you do all the commandments you can expect blessings here on earth, and if you don't do the commandments you can expect cursing.

Your determination to live by righteousness and judgement is fine, but you must be prepared, if you reject Jesus as the Christ, to live under the law without resort to God's mercy and forgiveness.

Mercy and forgiveness are only offered to those of a contrite spirit, who accept that, in the eyes of God, they are sinners. Jesus didn't come to save the righteous, as you well know.

Jesus is revealed in the Gospels as the righteousness of God. He came to save men because men cannot save themselves from sin.

Peter and Paul understood who Jesus was, and they received His Spirit of righteousness.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The themes of sin and righteousness have to be correctly understood if one is to see the plan that God has for His creation.

All men are sinners, and unless the root of sin is dealt with effectively, all efforts to be righteous will fail. And in failing to be righteous, man is cut off from God.

The teaching on sin is at the core of Christian belief. It is not enough just to say that sin is not doing the law, unless you make it clear that what man 'sees' and what God 'sees' are different. God knows the heart of man, and, as a result, God's standard of righteousness is spiritual. The same cannot be said for man's standard of righteousness, which depends on what is outwardly observed.

The righteousness that you would have man follow is righteousness under the law. This has nothing to do with the eternal salvation of God because it is solely dependent on the doing of 613 commandments laid down by God at Sinai. If you do all the commandments you can expect blessings here on earth, and if you don't do the commandments you can expect cursing.

Your determination to live by righteousness and judgement is fine, but you must be prepared, if you reject Jesus as the Christ, to live under the law without resort to God's mercy and forgiveness.

Mercy and forgiveness are only offered to those of a contrite spirit, who accept that, in the eyes of God, they are sinners. Jesus didn't come to save the righteous, as you well know.

Jesus is revealed in the Gospels as the righteousness of God. He came to save men because men cannot save themselves from sin.

Peter and Paul understood who Jesus was, and they received His Spirit of righteousness.

Sin is transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4
“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

The "law" was written for sanctification of Israel. The gentiles/nations, would come under the umbrella of "every person" for which they must "fear God" and "keep his Commandments". (Ecclesiasties 12:13) It is after the day of the Lord, when "you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18) a time when "I will draw near to your for judgment". That time is apparently "at the door" (Matthew 24:33).

As for the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17) who would not feed, care, or tend the sheep (Zechariah 11:16), Peter, the "stumbling blocks" (Matthew 16:19) will be gathered out (Matthew 13:41). As for the "false prophet" (Revelation 16:13), he that "commits lawlessness" (Matthew 13:41), he and his followers will also be gathered out, "first" before the "wheat" is gathered/harvested (Matthew 13:30).

As for the "heart of man", it is deceitful above all things, therefore God will judge according to one's conduct, not based on another's conduct.

Jeremiah 17:9-10 9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? 10"I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve."
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Sin is transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4
“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

The "law" was written for sanctification of Israel. The gentiles/nations, would come under the umbrella of "every person" for which they must "fear God" and "keep his Commandments". (Ecclesiasties 12:13) It is after the day of the Lord, when "you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked" (Malachi 3:18) a time when "I will draw near to your for judgment". That time is apparently "at the door" (Matthew 24:33).

As for the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17) who would not feed, care, or tend the sheep (Zechariah 11:16), Peter, the "stumbling blocks" (Matthew 16:19) will be gathered out (Matthew 13:41). As for the "false prophet" (Revelation 16:13), he that "commits lawlessness" (Matthew 13:41), he and his followers will also be gathered out, "first" before the "wheat" is gathered/harvested (Matthew 13:30).

As for the "heart of man", it is deceitful above all things, therefore God will judge according to one's conduct, not based on another's conduct.

Jeremiah 17:9-10 9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? 10"I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve."
Yes, sin is transgression of the law, but the root of sin is the heart (an unholy spirit). If you read Matthew 5 you will begin to see that to be righteous you must have the Spirit of God. Without that Spirit, man is condemned.

You are quite right to quote Jeremiah, because he tells us that the hearts of all men are deceitful. This prophetic statement confirms that all men need the Spirit of God - because all men are sinners.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Yes, sin is transgression of the law, but the root of sin is the heart (an unholy spirit). If you read Matthew 5 you will begin to see that to be righteous you must have the Spirit of God. Without that Spirit, man is condemned.

You are quite right to quote Jeremiah, because he tells us that the hearts of all men are deceitful. This prophetic statement confirms that all men need the Spirit of God - because all men are sinners.

Yes, sin is transgression of the law, but the root of sin is the heart (an unholy spirit). If you read Matthew 5 you will begin to see that to be righteous you must have the Spirit of God. Without that Spirit, man is condemned.

You are quite right to quote Jeremiah, because he tells us that the hearts of all men are deceitful. This prophetic statement confirms that all men need the Spirit of God - because all men are sinners.

You seem to like to quote from some unknown guy named Tertius, who actually wrote Romans 3:9, who quotes Isaiah 14 out of context. With respect to Romans 3:9, you need to read the full text of Isaiah 14. The Romans writer leaves out the part where Isaiah 14 begins with "the fool has said in his heart", and saying the "workers of wickedness" "who eat my people", are referring to that "God is with the righteous", and the "LORD" will restore his captive people, and Jacob will rejoice. If there are no "righteous", who are the "righteous" God is with, and why will Jacob rejoice. You take what this guy Tertius writes at your own risk. It is a snare to call something holy before investigating (Proverbs 20:25)

New American Standard Bible Proverbs 20:25
It is a trap for a person to say carelessly, “It is holy!” And after the vows to make inquiry.

As per Matthew 3, apparently, baptism of the Spirit is to follow confession of sins, repentance, and production of fruits in line with that repentance. Baptism by water is simply a physical symbol for the confession of sins, and subsequent washing away the sin, which can take or not (Matthew 13:20-22). Many think they are "saved" if they go to the front of the church are then baptized, whether they confess their sins, or are fruitful or not. One is "unfruitful" without the baptism of the Spirit, and therefore according to Matthew 3:10, positioned to be "cut down" and "thrown into the fire". According to Ezekiel 36:23-28, Israel gets a pass after they are gathered out of the nations, onto their own land, the land given to Jacob, and then they will get "My spirit" (Ezekiel 36:27), to "walk in my statutes". It is "the house of Israel" which is to be taken from the nations/Gentiles, to "prove myself holy" (Ezekiel 36:23-24).
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
1844 minus 1260 equals the year 584 AD, a dead space as far as I can see. Islam is supposed to have started in 622, and in 584 AD Mhmd was 14 years old, and his only noteworthy supposed event during that time was meeting the Saint Katherine monk on a trade journey with part of his family. But your 1844 makes sense with respect to the Bahai faith, which is considered heretical by the rest of Islam, and which has not united Islam or turned the world into a Islamic state. I don't know, but it appears you are grabbing at straws, a tough target to hold on too under pressure.

According to my math, if you add 1260 to 622 AD, year one of the Islamic calendar, you get 1882, not 1844. Then again, 584 was probably a leap year, and somehow that somehow makes a difference.

I see you did not even try to understand the connection of the year AH1260 to the year AD1844 and thus used faulty maths again.

Your cup is full and you enjoy your choice of beverage it contains, so I say goodbye 2ndpillar.

I wish you all the best for the future.

Regards Tony
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
You seem to like to quote from some unknown guy named Tertius, who actually wrote Romans 3:9, who quotes Isaiah 14 out of context. With respect to Romans 3:9, you need to read the full text of Isaiah 14. The Romans writer leaves out the part where Isaiah 14 begins with "the fool has said in his heart", and saying the "workers of wickedness" "who eat my people", are referring to that "God is with the righteous", and the "LORD" will restore his captive people, and Jacob will rejoice. If there are no "righteous", who are the "righteous" God is with, and why will Jacob rejoice. You take what this guy Tertius writes at your own risk. It is a snare to call something holy before investigating (Proverbs 20:25)

New American Standard Bible Proverbs 20:25
It is a trap for a person to say carelessly, “It is holy!” And after the vows to make inquiry.

As per Matthew 3, apparently, baptism of the Spirit is to follow confession of sins, repentance, and production of fruits in line with that repentance. Baptism by water is simply a physical symbol for the confession of sins, and subsequent washing away the sin, which can take or not (Matthew 13:20-22). Many think they are "saved" if they go to the front of the church are then baptized, whether they confess their sins, or are fruitful or not. One is "unfruitful" without the baptism of the Spirit, and therefore according to Matthew 3:10, positioned to be "cut down" and "thrown into the fire". According to Ezekiel 36:23-28, Israel gets a pass after they are gathered out of the nations, onto their own land, the land given to Jacob, and then they will get "My spirit" (Ezekiel 36:27), to "walk in my statutes". It is "the house of Israel" which is to be taken from the nations/Gentiles, to "prove myself holy" (Ezekiel 36:23-24).
I believe that you're referring to Psalm 14, not Isaiah 14.

Romans 3:9,10 is supported by scriptures from all over the Bible. There can be no question that all men are sinners in the eyes of God. If men are referred to as 'righteous' under the law, it is no different to Paul himself who said in his letter to Titus, 'Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;'
[Titus 3:5,6]
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I believe that you're referring to Psalm 14, not Isaiah 14.

Romans 3:9,10 is supported by scriptures from all over the Bible. There can be no question that all men are sinners in the eyes of God. If men are referred to as 'righteous' under the law, it is no different to Paul himself who said in his letter to Titus, 'Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;'
[Titus 3:5,6]

Your referencing one quote tied to Paul, to another tied to Paul. Generally the guy isn't that consistent. Neither of your references being the "Word of God" (Scripture).

As for particular men pointed out by Scripture as "righteous" that would be Genesis 6:9, "Noah was a righteous man", "blameless in his time", "who "walked with God", as did Enoch (Genesis 5:24). Romans was referencing Psalms 14, as you pointed out, but completely out of text, which pointed out both the "wicked" and the "righteous", with the righteous linked to Jacob and Israel, with the salvation coming out of Zion, when the "LORD" restores His "captive people". This will much like the freeing of Israel from Egypt in the first Passover. At the end of the age, the wicked, those who commit lawlessness (Matthew 13:40-42 & 49-50), would be gathered out and cast into the furnace of fire (great tribulation). If you believe in the name of Yeshua, then it tells you that it is YHWH who saves, for Yeshua means, "YHWH saves". King David will simply be the king of the reunited sticks of Ephraim and Judah (Ezekiel 37), who will live on the land given to Jacob.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Your referencing one quote tied to Paul, to another tied to Paul. Generally the guy isn't that consistent. Neither of your references being the "Word of God" (Scripture).

As for particular men pointed out by Scripture as "righteous" that would be Genesis 6:9, "Noah was a righteous man", "blameless in his time", "who "walked with God", as did Enoch (Genesis 5:24). Romans was referencing Psalms 14, as you pointed out, but completely out of text, which pointed out both the "wicked" and the "righteous", with the righteous linked to Jacob and Israel, with the salvation coming out of Zion, when the "LORD" restores His "captive people". This will much like the freeing of Israel from Egypt in the first Passover. At the end of the age, the wicked, those who commit lawlessness (Matthew 13:40-42 & 49-50), would be gathered out and cast into the furnace of fire (great tribulation). If you believe in the name of Yeshua, then it tells you that it is YHWH who saves, for Yeshua means, "YHWH saves". King David will simply be the king of the reunited sticks of Ephraim and Judah (Ezekiel 37), who will live on the land given to Jacob.

The 'righteousness' of Noah was conditional on the convenant made with Noah. The 'righteousness' of a man living under the law of Moses is conditional on the covenant made between God and Israel, at Mount Sinai.

The man who is 'righteous' under the law is expected to 'fulfil' the law, or DO EVERYTHING commanded in the the law.

Who, according to your understanding, has done everything that the law of God (given at Mt Sinai) commands?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Sin is not imputed where there is no law. Therefore, law creates sin. Sin does not exist without law. For example, in the USA it is legal to smoke marijuana in some states, while in other states it is illegal. It is only a sin in states where there is a law. If you cross the border from a legal state where sin is not imputed, due to no law, into an illegal state, sin now becomes imputed, because of the law. Law, like magic, can create sin out of thin air.

The problem with law is not just philosophical; chicken or the egg, but law has neurological implications for the natural brain. When the brain writes to memory, emotional tags are added to the sensory content. Our memory has both content and attached emotional valence.

Our strongest memories have the strongest feelings tags attached; marriage, birth of a child, glory days, trauma, etc. This content-emotional tag schema is useful for the natural animal brain since when similar experiences trigger memory, the animal will act on the feeling of the memory, without having to think. If new food triggers a memory with good feelings, the animal will eat. If it triggers a sick feeling he will move on.

Law is unique in that inherent in law is both the good path and the bad path. a law is one thing, but like a coin it has two opposite sides. When law is written to memory; learned and enforced, law memories will require have two conflicting feelings tags; love/rest for the righteous and fear/pain for the violators.

The natural animal brain will use all these feeling tags, but they are usually applied one at a time. The same food item can be good or bad but not both at the same time. The conflicting feelings created by law creates an unnatural writing memory situation. This is why God said if you eat of that tree you will surely die. What died was natural and instinctive humans.

A good example to seeing the affect of conflicting feelings is being in a love and hate relationship. The love will draw you near, but the hate makes you want to run away. But when conflicting feelings appear together, this creates a state of tension; one goes into an orbit that cannot resolve itself. One or the other feeling tag allows a resolution but two conflicting feelings creates repression. I suppose this was good for developing the civilized mind and brain and it amplified ego will power, but it had other psychological implications. In the marijuana example, in the legal state; no law, one is calm and/or indifferent. But in the illegal state tension appears.

This state of tension; repression is not healthy for the brain. The natural brain will often resolve the conflict for the ego, by making the good side of law conscious; heads, and the evil side become more unconscious; tails. Like a coin, we can only see one side at a time, with the other side unconscious; hidden. However, this hidden half of the coin of law, will also need to become conscious at times to help avoid another type of repression; Satan subroutine.

For example, the self righteous often see themselves as good, but at times will persecute in the name of the law; unconscious impulse from the Satan subroutine. Paul said sin taking opportunity through the commandment; law, produces in of every kind; Satan subroutine is activated. Jesus did away with the law to help end this unnatural brain affect, but humans compounded the numbers of laws.

Paul said it is not yes and no, but yes in him. He requested that they move their memory from the division of law to the unity of faith, so the memory can become unified and natural again. A natural memory will make you natural again; children of the promise.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The 'righteousness' of Noah was conditional on the convenant made with Noah. The 'righteousness' of a man living under the law of Moses is conditional on the covenant made between God and Israel, at Mount Sinai.

The man who is 'righteous' under the law is expected to 'fulfil' the law, or DO EVERYTHING commanded in the the law.

Who, according to your understanding, has done everything that the law of God (given at Mt Sinai) commands?

The covenant God made with Noah was that the world would never again be destroyed by flood (Genesis 9:11). Your Noahide laws are the traditions of men, of which the first is simply the 1st commandment of God in another form, which is to say that there "is a single God", and not 3 gods in one, which apparently Christianity can't keep the Noahide laws nor the Commandments of God. The "laws" given to Israel, were for Israel. The Gentiles, as coming under the umbrella of "every person" are required to keep the Commandments of God (Ecclesiastes 12:13). Israel will keep my "statutes" after they are given a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 36:25-27), and when they will live on the land given to your forefathers. Right now, only Judah is living on the land given to "your forefathers"/Jacob, and Israel, the lost sheep, are waiting in the wings. The best the "strangers"/foreigners/Gentiles can expect, is to worship on God's mountain/Zion, for which they must keep the Commandments and My Sabbath (Isaiah 56:6). According to Joel 2:31-32, it is those on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, who the "survivors" will come from in the "day of the Lord", which is the destruction of earth by fire versus the destruction by flood (Noah). Was Noah "righteous" before the flood, when the covenant with regards to the flood was given, or after?

Genesis 9: 8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 “I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be destroyed by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
 
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2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Sin is not imputed where there is no law. Therefore, law creates sin. Sin does not exist without law. For example, in the USA it is legal to smoke marijuana in some states, while in other states it is illegal. It is only a sin in states where there is a law. If you cross the border from a legal state where sin is not imputed, due to no law, into an illegal state, sin now becomes imputed, because of the law. Law, like magic, can create sin out of thin air.

The problem with law is not just philosophical; chicken or the egg, but law has neurological implications for the natural brain. When the brain writes to memory, emotional tags are added to the sensory content. Our memory has both content and attached emotional valence.

Our strongest memories have the strongest feelings tags attached; marriage, birth of a child, glory days, trauma, etc. This content-emotional tag schema is useful for the natural animal brain since when similar experiences trigger memory, the animal will act on the feeling of the memory, without having to think. If new food triggers a memory with good feelings, the animal will eat. If it triggers a sick feeling he will move on.

Law is unique in that inherent in law is both the good path and the bad path. a law is one thing, but like a coin it has two opposite sides. When law is written to memory; learned and enforced, law memories will require have two conflicting feelings tags; love/rest for the righteous and fear/pain for the violators.

The natural animal brain will use all these feeling tags, but they are usually applied one at a time. The same food item can be good or bad but not both at the same time. The conflicting feelings created by law creates an unnatural writing memory situation. This is why God said if you eat of that tree you will surely die. What died was natural and instinctive humans.

A good example to seeing the affect of conflicting feelings is being in a love and hate relationship. The love will draw you near, but the hate makes you want to run away. But when conflicting feelings appear together, this creates a state of tension; one goes into an orbit that cannot resolve itself. One or the other feeling tag allows a resolution but two conflicting feelings creates repression. I suppose this was good for developing the civilized mind and brain and it amplified ego will power, but it had other psychological implications. In the marijuana example, in the legal state; no law, one is calm and/or indifferent. But in the illegal state tension appears.

This state of tension; repression is not healthy for the brain. The natural brain will often resolve the conflict for the ego, by making the good side of law conscious; heads, and the evil side become more unconscious; tails. Like a coin, we can only see one side at a time, with the other side unconscious; hidden. However, this hidden half of the coin of law, will also need to become conscious at times to help avoid another type of repression; Satan subroutine.

For example, the self righteous often see themselves as good, but at times will persecute in the name of the law; unconscious impulse from the Satan subroutine. Paul said sin taking opportunity through the commandment; law, produces in of every kind; Satan subroutine is activated. Jesus did away with the law to help end this unnatural brain affect, but humans compounded the numbers of laws.

Paul said it is not yes and no, but yes in him. He requested that they move their memory from the division of law to the unity of faith, so the memory can become unified and natural again. A natural memory will make you natural again; children of the promise.

Was the killing of Able by Cain a sin/iniquity? Did Moses precede Adam?
 

Redemptionsong

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Israel will keep my "statutes" after they are given a new heart and a new spirit (Ezekiel 36:25-27)
And there we have it. Israel, as the people of God, cannot keep the commandments of God until they have the Holy Spirit. So, how does the congregation of Israel obtain this blessing?

Noah was accounted 'righteous' for his faithfulness. Try reading Hebrews 11:4.
 
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2ndpillar

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And there we have it. Israel, as the people of God, cannot keep the commandments of God until they have the Holy Spirit. So, how does the congregation of Israel obtain this blessing?

Noah was accounted 'righteous' for his faithfulness. Try reading Hebrews 11:4.
And there we have it. Israel, as the people of God, cannot keep the commandments of God until they have the Holy Spirit. So, how does the congregation of Israel obtain this blessing?

Noah was accounted 'righteous' for his faithfulness. Try reading Hebrews 11:4.

Some script, by some unknown author in Hebrews 11:4, associated with a false prophet, is not the best way to establish any matter (Matthew 18:16). A better example would be James 2:18-26, whereas "faith without works is useless", and gives examples.

As for Ezekiel 36:26-28, it is with regard to Israel keeping "My statutes, and My Ordinances" and therefore becoming "My sanctuary" "forever" (Ezekiel 37:24-28). Yeshua pretty much told his questioners, that to enter "into life", one must keep the Commandments, and noted them. The laws given to Israel, were for the sanctification of Israel, for them to be God's sanctuary, and they failed. The Christians pretty much fail in even keeping My Commandments, which according to Yeshua, are not difficult (1 John 5:3). For not keeping God's commandments, Israel has been conquered and put into bondage time and time again. In the next round, Jerusalem and Judah will be revived (Joel 3:1), such as is happening now, prior to the unification with Ephraim (Ezekiel 37), and then the nations/Gentiles, will be gathered into the valley of judgment, and judged (Joel 3:1-2). The reason Israel gets the blessing is because of their "holy name" (Ezekiel 36:22).
 

Redemptionsong

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Some script, by some unknown author in Hebrews 11:4, associated with a false prophet, is not the best way to establish any matter (Matthew 18:16). A better example would be James 2:18-26, whereas "faith without works is useless", and gives examples.

As for Ezekiel 36:26-28, it is with regard to Israel keeping "My statutes, and My Ordinances" and therefore becoming "My sanctuary" "forever" (Ezekiel 37:24-28). Yeshua pretty much told his questioners, that to enter "into life", one must keep the Commandments, and noted them. The laws given to Israel, were for the sanctification of Israel, for them to be God's sanctuary, and they failed. The Christians pretty much fail in even keeping My Commandments, which according to Yeshua, are not difficult (1 John 5:3). For not keeping God's commandments, Israel has been conquered and put into bondage time and time again. In the next round, Jerusalem and Judah will be revived (Joel 3:1), such as is happening now, prior to the unification with Ephraim (Ezekiel 37), and then the nations/Gentiles, will be gathered into the valley of judgment, and judged (Joel 3:1-2). The reason Israel gets the blessing is because of their "holy name" (Ezekiel 36:22).
More books of the Bible being rejected because they don't fit with your theology!

Are you now backtracking and not accepting that the Holy Spirit is necessary for lsrael to achieve righteousness? The blessing comes in the name of Jesus Christ, which is the 'holy name' of His 'Holy One'.

James tells us, not that we will be judged on works under the law, but on works of faith.
 

2ndpillar

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More books of the Bible being rejected because they don't fit with your theology!

Are you now backtracking and not accepting that the Holy Spirit is necessary for lsrael to achieve righteousness? The blessing comes in the name of Jesus Christ, which is the 'holy name' of His 'Holy One'.

James tells us, not that we will be judged on works under the law, but on works of faith.

The message of the main "Christian" churches, is that you are "saved" by faith alone. James refutes that notion. As for your false prophet based, all men are "sinners" , Noah was specifically "blameless", without sin (Genesis 6:9). As for the message of Yeshua in Matthew 3, you must confess your sins, repent (turn away from your sins, get baptized, and produce good fruit, which is to say do righteous works, or be cut down and thrown into the fire. Producing good fruit is the doing of righteousness. Abraham was "justified by works" in that he attempted to sacrifice Isaac, but was given a substitute by God. Abraham believed God, but had to be justified by works, in that he had to do the will of God. And James does not say what you say he says. As for the law, James kept the law. The law is for the sanctification of the temple of God, in which God doesn't want to live in a diseased people. The law is for Jacob/Israel, not some Gentile calling themselves Israel, who can't even keep the 10 Commandments, which according to Yeshua, not difficult. As stated in Ezekiel 36:27 & 37:24, the house of Israel will start to keep "My ordinances", and "My statutes" before they become the "sanctuary"/temple of the LORD.
As for the book of Hebrews, written by some unknown source, and was apparently a late comer to your Roman church canon, it is simply another off shoot for the false prophet Paul. Apparently, the new head of the beast, the 8th head, a Roman head that was, is not and is the eighth, upon who the daughter of Babylon sits (Revelation 13 &17), the new world order, apparently has the pope as their chief cheer leader with regard to their dictatorial manifestations. No worry, all the heads of the beasts will be crushed at the same time (Daniel 2:45), along with their supposed holder of the keys of David (Isaiah 22:22-25). The house that does not heed the message of Yeshua, will fall (Matthew 7:27). The "many" that follow the "false prophets" down the wide path will wind up "in destruction" (Matthew 7:13).
As for "My holy name", YHWY, (Ezekiel 36, not some 16th century Greek/Latin name, which when pronounced, means "earth pig" (Jesus) for Latin speakers. As for using Yeshua (YHWY saves), it is YHWY who saves and not Yeshua Christ, as in God saves savior/anointed. Your doctrines seem to be planted in very shallow soil.
God and Yeshua state that one will be judged according to their deeds/works (Revelation 20:12) & Jeremiah 17:10)
 
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Redemptionsong

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The message of the main "Christian" churches, is that you are "saved" by faith alone. James refutes that notion. As for your false prophet based, all men are "sinners" , Noah was specifically "blameless", without sin (Genesis 6:9). As for the message of Yeshua in Matthew 3, you must confess your sins, repent (turn away from your sins, get baptized, and produce good fruit, which is to say do righteous works, or be cut down and thrown into the fire. Producing good fruit is the doing of righteousness. Abraham was "justified by works" in that he attempted to sacrifice Isaac, but was given a substitute by God. Abraham believed God, but had to be justified by works, in that he had to do the will of God. And James does not say what you say he says. As for the law, James kept the law. The law is for the sanctification of the temple of God, in which God doesn't want to live in a diseased people. The law is for Jacob/Israel, not some Gentile calling themselves Israel, who can't even keep the 10 Commandments, which according to Yeshua, not difficult. As stated in Ezekiel 36:27 & 37:24, the house of Israel will start to keep "My ordinances", and "My statutes" before they become the "sanctuary"/temple of the LORD.
As for the book of Hebrews, written by some unknown source, and was apparently a late comer to your Roman church canon, it is simply another off shoot for the false prophet Paul. Apparently, the new head of the beast, the 8th head, a Roman head that was, is not and is the eighth, upon who the daughter of Babylon sits (Revelation 13 &17), the new world order, apparently has the pope as their chief cheer leader with regard to their dictatorial manifestations. No worry, all the heads of the beasts will be crushed at the same time (Daniel 2:45), along with their supposed holder of the keys of David (Isaiah 22:22-25). The house that does not heed the message of Yeshua, will fall (Matthew 7:27). The "many" that follow the "false prophets" down the wide path will wind up "in destruction" (Matthew 7:13).
As for "My holy name", YHWY, (Ezekiel 36, not some 16th century Greek/Latin name, which when pronounced, means "earth pig" (Jesus) for Latin speakers. As for using Yeshua (YHWY saves), it is YHWY who saves and not Yeshua Christ, as in God saves savior/anointed. Your doctrines seem to be planted in very shallow soil.
God and Yeshua state that one will be judged according to their deeds/works (Revelation 20:12) & Jeremiah 17:10)
What you say about justification by faith is not accurate. To begin with, the idea is not restricted to the NT. We find evidence of such 'justification' in the Torah and Prophets. Take, for example, Habbakuk 2:4, which says, 'the just shall live by his faith'. There is no mention here of 'works'.

What James teaches is that faith cannot be considered as faith unless there is outward evidence to demonstrate that faith exists. These are called 'works of faith' or 'works that follow faith'. Such works should not be confused with 'works' that mean 'doing the law'.

If you fail to appreciate the place that faith plays in the scriptures as a whole, it's not surprising that you reject so much of scripture!
 
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