Free healthcare

[Stevicus]

Here almost everything is controlled by the State.
Even University, besides Education.
That is why medicine faculties who will teach and form the future physicians are accessible to very few people. Because the number of doctors that the NHS needs, is X and cannot be higher/lower.

I've read some articles where they're predicting shortages of doctors and other medical professionals in the coming years.

 

[ChristineM]

We are speaking of cancer . Here in Italy he would have paid nothing.

Even for the robot hire? Cool

 

[Estro Felino]

I've read some articles where they're predicting shortages of doctors and other medical professionals in the coming years.

It is a vicious circle. The EU wants us Mediterranean countries to cut the public expenditure on healthcare. Italy, Spain and Portugal happen to have a NHS, so that means that less and less public hospitals will be built.

The EU is disliked because of this, mainly.
The success of Brexit is due to the fact that the British said "better to give our money to the NHS, than to the EU".

 

[Estro Felino]

Even for the robot hire? Cool

Anything. Even the post-surgery recovery.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_welfare_state

 

[ChristineM]

Anything. Even the post-surgery recovery.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_welfare_state

Post surgery is no problem. Hubby still sees his specialist every 6 months. Has regular blood tests, and has had several treatments / medications needed as a result of the cancer or surgery. Even transport costs.

If for example we lived on Corsica (or i believe even Reunion) and required a private plain to visit his specialist on mainland France then that would be paid for.

And will continue for the rest of his life

 

[Estro Felino]

Post surgery is no problem. Hubby still sees his specialist every 6 months. Has regular blood tests, and has had several treatments / medications needed as a result of the cancer or surgery. Even transport costs.

If for example we lived on Corsica (or i believe even Reunion) and required a private plain to visit his specialist on mainland France then that would be paid for.

And will continue for the rest of his life

I hope France and Germany embrace the British system too.

 

[exchemist]

Yes, the right-wing uses "godless communism" as a scare tactic to manipulate the hoi polloi. It's worked for a very long time, with consistent success. The term "socialized medicine" has been commonly used for as long as I can remember.

I've found the reference to this. There is actually a Wiki article titled "Socialised Medicine", which says, inter alia:

The term was first widely used in the United States by advocates of the American Medical Association in opposition to President Harry S. Truman's 1947 health care initiative.[7][8][9] It was later used in opposition to Medicare.

 

[ChristineM]

I hope France and Germany embrace the British system too.

Have you seen what the conservative government are doing to the nhs?

 

[exchemist]

The existence of a NHS does not prevent privates from creating private hospitals, private clinic and private emergency rooms.
In fact the wealthy go to those private facilities, as far as I know.

In the British system, the general practitioners, "GPs", (the neighbourhood family doctors, who are the point of entry to healthcare for anything that is not an emergency), are self-employed as contractors to the NHS, to provide care for the NHS-registered patients on their books. So they are not state employees but effectively private businesses or partnerships. This was a compromise thrashed out when the NHS was first set up in 1948 (I think).

 

[Subduction Zone]

Have you seen what the conservative government are doing to the nhs?

I have heard. So when are you going to join this 19th century and adopt our plan. Think of the benefits. You get a twenty page hospital bill for example. And each page could easily cost you a thousand dollars.

 

[ChristineM]

I have heard. So when are you going to join this 19th century and adopt our plan. Think of the benefits. You get a twenty page hospital bill for example. And each page could easily cost you a thousand dollars.

I believe thats the model boris and co want for their buddies who just happen to own or are shareholders in medical businesses

 

[exchemist]

It is a vicious circle. The EU wants us Mediterranean countries to cut the public expenditure on healthcare. Italy, Spain and Portugal happen to have a NHS, so that means that less and less public hospitals will be built.

The EU is disliked because of this, mainly.
The success of Brexit is due to the fact that the British said "better to give our money to the NHS, than to the EU".

But that was, notoriously, a transparent lie* by the Brexit campaigners, exploiting the devotion of British people to the NHS.

Brexit has in fact had a considerable net cost to the UK, so there is less money available for everything, NHS included. The NHS has not got one extra penny out of Brexit.


*There was also another one, to the effect that the EU was about to admit Turkey, resulting in a huge influx of people to the UK in baggy trousers and curly slippers.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe thats the model boris and co want for their buddies who just happen to own or are shareholders in medical businesses

It would be nice if we could export it to just a few individuals. I would not mind seeing Boris and buddies getting that sort of bill.

 

[exchemist]

It is a vicious circle. The EU wants us Mediterranean countries to cut the public expenditure on healthcare. Italy, Spain and Portugal happen to have a NHS, so that means that less and less public hospitals will be built.

The EU is disliked because of this, mainly.
The success of Brexit is due to the fact that the British said "better to give our money to the NHS, than to the EU".

That's funny. There was never any pressure from the EU for the UK to change its health provision model, when we were members.

I suspect you have been given a slightly garbled version of the EU's concern, which is more likely to be to cut unrestrained government spending - in general - above what the country can afford - because then the Germans have to fund you. Unless of course you have a particularly wasteful and corrupt health system, which I suppose is just about conceivable in Italy........

 

[Estro Felino]

But that was, notoriously, a transparent lie* by the Brexit campaigners, exploiting the devotion of British people to the NHS.

Brexit has in fact had a considerable net cost to the UK, so there is less money available for everything, NHS included. The NHS has not got one extra penny out of Brexit.


*There was also another one, to the effect that the EU was about to admit Turkey, resulting in a huge influx of people to the UK in baggy trousers and curly slippers.

So...if we ask the EU and the ECB to borrow 50 billion euros to fix our NHS properly, will they give them to us?

These pure, immaculate, holy ECB masters will give them to us, won't they?

 

[Estro Felino]

That's funny. There was never any pressure from the EU for the UK to change its health provision model, when we were members.

I suspect you have been given a slightly garbled version of the EU's concern, which is more likely to be to cut unrestrained government spending - in general - above what the country can afford - because then the Germans have to fund you. Unless of course you have a particularly wasteful and corrupt health system, which I suppose is just about conceivable in Italy........

Absolutely not. I have been hospitalized only twice and it was all flawless. Flawless physicians, flawless nurses.

It is not wasteful. It is absolutely perfect and flawless.

 

[exchemist]

So...if we ask the EU and the ECB to borrow 50 billion euros to fix our NHS properly, will they give them to us?

These pure, immaculate, holy ECB masters will give them to us, won't they?

Read my post. They won't allow you to spend excessively on anything that is way beyond the country's means. Because if you do that you crash the Euro, and then the Germans have to bale everyone out, which German voters understandably do not like.

Italy has had economic problems for many decades, with poor growth rates, not helped by corruption and a sclerotic justice system. Draghi shows welcome signs of tackling the root causes of this, which he probably understands better than anyone else on the planet. But until that is fixed your government obviously can't just spend whatever it likes on whatever it wants, whether that be health or anything else.

 

[Estro Felino]

Read my post. They won't allow you to spend excessively on anything that is way beyond the country's means. Because if you do that you crash the Euro, and then the Germans have to bale everyone out, which German voters understandably do not like.

Italy has had economic problems for many decades, with poor growth rates, not helped by corruption and a sclerotic justice system. Draghi shows welcome signs of tackling the root causes of this, which he probably understands better than anyone else on the planet. But until that is fixed your government obviously can't just spend whatever it likes on whatever it wants, whether that be health or anything else.

I suspect you have been given a slightly garbled version of the EU's concern, which is more likely to be to cut unrestrained government spending - in general - above what the country can afford - because then the Germans have to fund you. ..

We are Italians. We adore unrestrained government spending. We used to do that until the eighties.
So either the Germans give our monetary sovereignty back, or they give us the money we need. Tertium non datur.
What does it mean? Italexit.

 

[HonestJoe]

I've read some articles where they're predicting shortages of doctors and other medical professionals in the coming years.

I think that is at least in part a issue across the developed world. Modern healthcare has become steadily more complex, healthcare workers don't have the same level of respect they once had and general pay level haven't really kept pace. There are still plenty of very good and rewarding careers available but there are more considerations before someone commits the time, effort and money necessary and so inevitably fewer people will choose to do so.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think that is at least in part a issue across the developed world. Modern healthcare has become steadily more complex, healthcare workers don't have the same level of respect they once had and general pay level haven't really kept pace. There are still plenty of very good and rewarding careers available but there are more considerations before someone commits the time, effort and money necessary and so inevitably fewer people will choose to do so.

That is why the public expenditure on healthcare is unrestrained because I do want physicians to be paid properly.
When it deals with health care, no expenditure is excessive.