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Alec Baldwin Killed More People Than My Guns Have

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Lack of accuracy.

Most of my target rifles were 22LR.
They'd be deadlier used as clubs than to shoot anyone.
So no...they weren't designed to kill anyone or anything.

Um...I own a Remington 550. No way that is not a deadly rifle. Does it have the stopping power of a .308 Winchester? No, but I'd much rather have someone trying to swing it at me than shoot me with it.

Guns are designed as tools to kill, whether we use them as such or not.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
More cars = more car wrecks
As I have pointed out and provided links for, the NRA has many resources and safety programs (which Alec Baldwin opposes and apparently did not pay attention to) I wonder if he opposes driver education?

Cars aren't designed to kill things and we regulate the hell out of them due to being dangerous anyway.
 

Bodie

Member
Um...I own a Remington 550. No way that is not a deadly rifle. Does it have the stopping power of a .308 Winchester? No, but I'd much rather have someone trying to swing it at me than shoot me with it.

Guns are designed as tools to kill, whether we use them as such or not.

With more guns than people in the U.S. you'd think half of us would be dead if misuse was so rampant.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Um...I own a Remington 550. No way that is not a deadly rifle. Does it have the stopping power of a .308 Winchester? No, but I'd much rather have someone trying to swing it at me than shoot me with it.

Guns are designed as tools to kill, whether we use them as such or not.
I used to hunt with a .22 when I was young. Mostly squirrel. Very neat kills that did not damage the meat. They kill very easily. I linked a video that showed a very lightweight .22 LR pistol that shot into ballistic gel. Even that was deadly.
 

Bodie

Member
Cars aren't designed to kill things and we regulate the hell out of them due to being dangerous anyway.

Statistically speaking you are far more likely to die or be injured in a car wreck than be murdered or injured by a firearm, I don't think anyone opposes driver education.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
The NRA offers many resources and training programs to promote gun safety, in fact they have created, promoted, and endorsed more safety training programs than all anti-gun groups have combined:

"Safety is not only critical in handling firearms but in everyday life. The NRA offers resources and training to ensure the safe and effective use of firearms as well as personal safety. Training courses are available that teach proactive strategies to avoid dangerous situations, self-defense using a firearm, as well as protection inside and outside the home."

source: Safety and Education | NRA Explore
Their best promotion - as to gun safety - would be to advise all not to own guns. :oops:
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
More cars = more car wrecks
As I have pointed out and provided links for, the NRA has many resources and safety programs (which Alec Baldwin opposes and apparently did not pay attention to) I wonder if he opposes driver education?
Cars are not designed to kill.

Guns are.
 

Bodie

Member
Their best promotion - as to gun safety - would be to advise all not to own guns. :oops:

Because a few misuse them? There are more guns than people in the U.S. and approximately 276 million cars and you are far more likely to die or be injured in a car wreck than killled or injured with a firearm and cars require licensing, etc.
 
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Bodie

Member
Cars are not designed to kill.

Guns are.

Yet still you are far more likely to die or be injured in a car wreck than die or be injured by misuse of a firearm and there are far less cars than guns. So, I guess that even though there is training, licensing, etc. The thing that is not designed to kill is far more dangerous than the things that are. It boils down to personal responsibility education, and most importantly, putting those things in practice at all times which the NRA actively endorses and promotes.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
The NRA offers many resources and training programs to promote gun safety, in fact they have created, promoted, and endorsed more safety training programs than all anti-gun groups have combined:

"Safety is not only critical in handling firearms but in everyday life. The NRA offers resources and training to ensure the safe and effective use of firearms as well as personal safety. Training courses are available that teach proactive strategies to avoid dangerous situations, self-defense using a firearm, as well as protection inside and outside the home."

source: Safety and Education | NRA Explore
And yet, when it comes to ensure that safety and that only people who are likely to hold to the rules can have guns, they fight tooth and nail to prevent any laws in that direction. For the NRA safety is an option that shall never interfere with sales numbers.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Is it too early?

As unfortunate and tragic as the onset accidental shooting is it begs the question, why are so many actors in movies that are actively anti-gun act in movies that feature firearms?
No one is "anti-gun". And the fact that you think they are, or that you use such misleading terms indicate the reason for your confusion. It's like calling pro-choice advocates "pro-abortion" advocates, and then asking why they work in women's health clinics. Once you stop misrepresenting their position, you eliminate your own question.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
The NRA offers many resources and training programs to promote gun safety, in fact they have created, promoted, and endorsed more safety training programs than all anti-gun groups have combined:

"Safety is not only critical in handling firearms but in everyday life. The NRA offers resources and training to ensure the safe and effective use of firearms as well as personal safety. Training courses are available that teach proactive strategies to avoid dangerous situations, self-defense using a firearm, as well as protection inside and outside the home."

source: Safety and Education | NRA Explore



Not really working though, is it?

Unlike the NRA's programme of huge donations to politicians, to promote their interests. Those resources are working great.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Yet still you are far more likely to die or be injured in a car wreck than die or be injured by misuse of a firearm and there are far less cars than guns. So, I guess that even though there is training, licensing, etc. The thing that is not designed to kill is far more dangerous than the things that are. It boils down to personal responsibility education, and most importantly, putting those things in practice at all times which the NRA actively endorses and promotes.
When it is not promoting GUNS, that is.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Because a few misuse them? There are more guns than people in the U.S. and approximately 276 million cars and you are far more likely to die or be injured in a car wreck than killled or injured with a firearm and cars require licensing, etc.
Just the sheer number in circulation seems to cause so may deaths - when other countries don't have such ownership, feel no need of such, and usually have nothing like the number of deaths related to such weapons. The USA simply seems to be tied to its past when other nations have moved on. Let's build a new nation, and arm them all (just in case) - hardly makes sense does it?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Their best promotion - as to gun safety - would be to advise all not to own guns. :oops:
That would address safety, but not essential
protection and defense which is largely why guns are there in the first place aside from hunting.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Just the sheer number in circulation seems to cause so may deaths - when other countries don't have such ownership, feel no need of such, and usually have nothing like the number of deaths related to such weapons. The USA simply seems to be tied to its past when other nations have moved on. Let's build a new nation, and arm them all (just in case) - hardly makes sense does it?
Neither does cars that kill even more people.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
That would address safety, but not essential
protection and defense which is largely why guns are there in the first place aside from hunting.
But, but, so many others don't need this protection - so why do Americans (some) insist on such? Perhaps you are just bound by your culture and history, and where change is necessary - like we do in so many other ways - but where some just steadfastly refuse to admit that the benefits of such weapon ownership could ever outweigh the deficits. But where they actually do.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
With more guns than people in the U.S. you'd think half of us would be dead if misuse was so rampant.

Statistically speaking you are far more likely to die or be injured in a car wreck than be murdered or injured by a firearm, I don't think anyone opposes driver education.

And we regulate cars. We should continue to work towards gun regulation that is sensible and effective.

I am not anti-gun. Rather I am anti-making-guns-seem-less-dangerous.

Take this theme of "guns are just for target practice, but we need powerful ones or they aren't accurate." Guns are very specifically designed to make killing easier; this was their original function and even if it is a gun used only for target practice, its basic function is still there.

As someone who lives in a rural area, having a firearm is almost a given, whether because of actual necessity or tradition. But they are kept with a great amount of respect and responsibility. They aren't just tools or toys; they're deadly weapons.

Or at least, that's how my grandfathers and father kept them. Even in rural areas that feels different now.
 
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