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Alec Baldwin Killed More People Than My Guns Have

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm guessing this has been said but if alec Baldwin were an actual gun owner he'd have known better than to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm guessing this has been said but if alec Baldwin were an actual gun owner he'd have known better than to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger.
Aye, those of us who take guns very seriously wouldn't
handle guns in so cavalier a manner. Even if I were in
a movie (no risk of that), I would verify for myself that a
gun is unloaded....don't ever trust anyone else for that.
And then, one doesn't point it at others...even with the
action open.
Anti-gunners typically don't have that kind of training.
So they don't have good habits & that healthy sense
of paranoia that guns are very dangerous.

That movie set sounds like a real **** show. I propose
that armorers on movie sets be licensed for that special
profession, with very thorough training & strict handling
protocols for all weapons & ammunition.
 
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Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
I'm guessing this has been said but if alec Baldwin were an actual gun owner he'd have known better than to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger.

To be fair, though, since it was a prop gun and he was rehearsing, wasn't he supposed to? (I actually haven't been following the story.)
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Is it too early?

As unfortunate and tragic as the onset accidental shooting is it begs the question, why are so many actors in movies that are actively anti-gun act in movies that feature firearms?


"NRA Safety Rules

The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does."
source: NRA Safety Rules
Because they like to make money off the guns they claim to hate and don't know how to use ..
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Great if gun owners would follow the guidelines. Unfortunately they don't and as a result an American is more likely to be accidentally shot by a school kid playing with his dad's loaded gun than by a terrorist out to deliberately kill people
Actually most do. We literally have 900000 hunters in my state. And yet accidental hunting deaths by firearms are usually about 1 per year.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
As unfortunate and tragic as the onset accidental shooting is
Is it, really, for you? You don't seem to be particularly shaken, given that your first reaction was to create a thread where you gleefully mock the participant in said tragic accident (and, implicitly, the victim) for your own ghoulish gratification.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Guns are, by design, not made exclusively for target practice: if not, why not use paintballs or other non-lethal types?
Lack of accuracy.
They are designed to make killing easier.
Most of my target rifles were 22LR.
They'd be deadlier used as clubs than to shoot anyone.
So no...they weren't designed to kill anyone or anything.
 

Bodie

Member
Is it, really, for you? You don't seem to be particularly shaken, given that your first reaction was to create a thread where you gleefully mock the participant in said tragic accident (and, implicitly, the victim) for your own ghoulish gratification.

You forgot to add " and this says much about you" c'mon man, if you are going to.do it at least do it right.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Lack of accuracy.

Most of my target rifles were 22LR.
They'd be deadlier used as clubs than to shoot anyone.
So no...they weren't designed to kill anyone or anything.
You are mistaken. A 22LR is very deadly. It will penetrate a human being deeply enough to kill if pointed at almost any vital organ.


Please note. That is not a rifle which would extract a lot more energy out of the powder. It is a rather cheesy handgun.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Ironically Shakespear was considered cheap, bawdy and low brow during his time. We just don't see all the lewd jokes in old English.

"Cheap, bawdy and low brow"...of course that's what makes him interesting.
Read out a sonnet at my wedding that is commonly assumed to be about a whore, but since it's Shakespeare, everyone assumes you're putting on airs...lol
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Why isn't anyone pointing out that this was a *PROP* gun and that *much* different rules apply? It simply doesn't operate by the same rules as ordinary firearms (even down to the safety mechanisms).

Actually, the rules for guns on set are incredibly strict. This weapon should have been independently checked as safe on at least three occasions.

Obviously, said rules were not followed.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I agree. I didn't mean it as a criticism. More taking note of how something considered by some to be all the things modern media is not received the same criticism.

Basically poking fun at the sterile elitism of the 'they don't make them like they used to' crowd. ;)

Not directed at you or Shakespeare.

Shakespeare wasn't worried...
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Is it too early?

As unfortunate and tragic as the onset accidental shooting is it begs the question, why are so many actors in movies that are actively anti-gun act in movies that feature firearms?


"NRA Safety Rules

The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does."
source: NRA Safety Rules
Guilty conscience?;)

Gun accidents and gun misuse are so commonplace in the USA because guns are everywhere and people are so casual about their presence, compared to how they are treated in Europe, for example. Nobody thought it mattered that the 24 yr old "armourer" had next to no experience.

The latest issue of Private Eye has a piece on this incident:

The whole of the United States is still reeling over one of the most distressing incidents in its long history of fatal shootings. Said one ashen-faced witness, "We've never seen anything like it. A shooting that didn't involve either a cop or a black man. It beggars belief." Another stunned passer by added, "And who'd have thought it would happen here? On a Western movie set? If it had been a high school, it might make some kind of sense."

A spokesman for the National Rifle Association declared, "There's a clear lesson to be learned from this tragedy. If only the entire film crew had been armed with sub-machine guns, they'd have been able to shoot Alec Baldwin before he pulled the trigger."
 

Bodie

Member
Gun accidents and gun misuse are so commonplace in the USA because guns are everywhere and people are so casual about their presence
More cars = more car wrecks
As I have pointed out and provided links for, the NRA has many resources and safety programs (which Alec Baldwin opposes and apparently did not pay attention to) I wonder if he opposes driver education?
 
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