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A Serious Question To Self-Proclaimed Atheists ...

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Subduction Zone

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Why ignore them when you can simply negate them?

Oh look, i can use meaningless tautologically redundant assertions as well.


If you have no evidence for against then you cannot logically claim they are possible. I don't think you understand logic at all.
Nice. Welcome to the forum. I am sure that there is cake somewhere.
 

Link

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And Christians believe the same about the Bible, Baha'i believe that about their holy writing etc. and so on. The burden of proof is of course on those that make this claim and they all seem to fail. In other words, they do tacitly admit to an irrational belief.

I agree with you on burden of proof. But I believe it's been proven.
 

Sheldon

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I've proven God existing in many threads. See the argument from God's vision for example.

I am dubious, and a quick check of all the major global news networks suggest your risible claim is strident bombastic nonsense. However please do demonstrate a shred of objective evidence for any deity, or even just post the most compelling piece of "evidence" you think you have.
 

Link

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I am dubious, and a quick check of all the major global news networks suggest your risible claim is strident bombastic nonsense. However please do demonstrate a shred of objective evidence for any deity, or even just post the most compelling piece of "evidence" you think you have.

 

Link

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You are of course wrong. If you can only "prove" it to fellow believers you failed. Once again, other religions have exactly the same belief.

The nature of good and evil element to this, makes it the case, that even if proven, it doesn't mean it will become popular like round earth over flat earth (when latter has been disproven). Had it not an element of good and evil, and Satan and God weren't in combat for souls, then yes, I would agree with you.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
And Christians believe the same about the Bible, Baha'i believe that about their holy writing etc. and so on. The burden of proof is of course on those that make this claim and they all seem to fail. In other words, they do tacitly admit to an irrational belief.

Yeah. But that is not unique to religion.

2 atheists:
  • I know what objective reality is
  • I don't.
You see, we always end with what makes sense, but that is in the mind and causation apparently runs in the other direction.
So I just believe in one less version of objective reality than most people and that includes some non-religious ones.
See, I learned that one from some atheists.
 

Subduction Zone

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You do not even seem to understand what qualifies as evidence. Largely incoherent rambling is no "proof". Here is what refutes your "proof". In a world without a god there is no reason that we would have the same sense of consciousness etc..

TLDR: Handwaving is not proof.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The nature of good and evil element to this, makes it the case, that even if proven, it doesn't mean it will become popular like round earth over flat earth (when latter has been disproven). Had it not an element of good and evil, and Satan and God weren't in combat for souls, then yes, I would agree with you.
Sorry, but you really need to take some basic classes on logic. Good and evil do not require a god.
 

Sheldon

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Wow, the hilarity of that woo woo is "proof" no deity exists, and yes I am being facetious, as proofs are for mathematics, not for wild idiotic "deepities" like the risible nonsense in that video.

I'll make this as easy as I can for you, pick what you think is the most compelling claim in that video for a deity, and then explain why? Oh and if you cannot offer a shred of objective evidence to support it, then I'll link a video asserting mermaids are real, and unless you can offer an objective difference you either have to admit those slippery darlings really exist, or admit to your risible bias here. Either way I'm not believing in deities or mermaids, and for the same reason...the same objective reason in fact...
 

Link

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Wow, the hilarity of that woo woo is "proof" no deity exists, and yes I am being facetious, as proofs are for mathematics, not for wild idiotic "deepities" like the risible nonsense in that video.

I'll make this as easy as I can for you, pick what you think is the most compelling claim in that video for a deity, and then explain why? Oh and if you cannot offer a shred of objective evidence to support it, then I'll link a video asserting mermaids are real, and unless you can offer an objective difference you either have to admit those slippery darlings really exist, or admit to your risible bias here. Either way I'm not believing in deities or mermaids, and for the same reason...the same objective reason in fact...
The video has one argument for God. I've made threads about it in form of premises and elaboration as well.

You aren't gonna to believe with your attitude. Even if all dead were gathered to you and you saw Angels, you still won't believe with your attitude.
 

RestlessSoul

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I'm not sure I can answer that, given that I just don't feel a need with respect to this. It is more down to the probabilities, as I see such existing, and hence why I am just not drawn to religious beliefs of any kind. Being slightly agnostic to any creator but not accepting that which is proposed by the religions, especially the monotheistic ones. We all have needs but mine seem to be satisfied to some extent by other knowledge, and that which is less likely to place me in opposition to others - as far as such is possible.


Well your position is a reasonable one, I can't argue that it isn't. But most importantly, you do not appear to claim, as many do, that atheists have a monopoly on logic and reason.
 

Link

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Sorry but I am still dubious, and you still haven't answered my question, DO YOU KNOW WHY?

Because you don't want to believe and submit to God and his Authorities (peace be upon them), I know exactly why.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
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CAN ANYONE ELSE, HERE, EXPLAIN TO ME THE LOGIC OF CHOOSING ATHEISM? (Given agnosticism as a baseline human premise)

I think that a supernatural god is extremely unlikely. But I do allow for the vanishingly small chance that god(s) exist.

But mostly when I proclaim myself to be an atheist, I'm disagreeing with RELIGION. So I guess I'm more of an anti-religionist than I am an atheist. Hence the term under my avatar "anti-theist", I term I picked up from Hitchens.
 

Subduction Zone

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Yeah. But that is not unique to religion.

2 atheists:
  • I know what objective reality is
  • I don't.
You see, we always end with what makes sense, but that is in the mind and causation apparently runs in the other direction.
So I just believe in one less version of objective reality than most people and that includes some non-religious ones.
See, I learned that one from some atheists.
No, atheists have a firm grasp of what objective reality is. If evidence arose that it was reality was different they would accept it. But there is such strong evidence for it and none against it, plus the consequences for ignoring reality can be extreme, it is wise to treat it as an absolute.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There can be agnostic theists, but they seem to be a very small minority.
That seems a strained construction.
But OK.
Most agnostics are also atheists.
Because agnosticism is a subset of atheism.
(For those who use dictionaries.)
I think the problem is that the OP appears to be trying to redefine atheism as a belief that a god or gods do not exist. It appears that you agree with me that atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods.
Aye, the OP seems more interested in presenting
an argument with the goal of winning rather than
understanding.
To try to address the OP a bit more. When I have a lack of belief in something I will treat it as if it does not exist. For example until someone provides evidence that Bigfoot exist I will have to oppose any laws banning hunting of Bigfeet since that law is more apt to be abused than used. I am not advocating killing Bigfoot with this position, I am merely against a law that would do no good. (And I am rather surprised that "Bigfeet" is the correct plural for "Bigfoot" according to my spell checker).
Bigfoot is like gods. I can't prove their non-existence,
but I strongly speculate that they're purely imaginary.
 

Subduction Zone

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Because you don't want to believe and submit to God and his Authorities (peace be upon them), I know exactly why.
And there you go making false claims about others. How do you know this? You cannot use your apparent mythical beliefs to support this claim, you need to go outside of your religion to do so.

Your claim is as invalid as a Christian's claim that you are evil because you are a Muslim. When one makes claims of that nature one needs more than a holy book that is only of of thousands.
 
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